Blake Griffin vs Kevin Durant vs Derrick Rose

[QUOTE=sosolid4u09]no flipping way mate. A.I one of the best scorers of the decade. How on earth can you say jennings will be on that level? what so far leads to believe that?[/QUOTE]
What? I didn't say he was going to be

[QUOTE=SCdac]His defense is better than statistics suggest, I agree. He's leading that team in defensive win shares right now. But that team is also allowing 104+ points a game, which is obviously not good... But people need not forget that blocks aren't everything, even PF's like Barkley and Malone were not really big-time shot blockers. Karl Malone in his MVP seasons averaged 0.6 BPG, and Barkley averaged just 1.0 BPG in his. Griffin needs to improve on playing the passing lanes though, disrupt more passes into the post. From what I've seen from him (assuming he continues to improve, gains experience), he could be more valuable than both Durant and Rose, IMO. And I'm a big Durant fan.[/QUOTE]

Honestly, I don't put any stock into stats like defensive win shares.

And, I don't see Griffin being the offensive player Malone or Barkley were.

[QUOTE=sosolid4u09][B]However with Boozer in the team now, we could well see his assist numbers spike[/B]. But he does need to continue to improve his Jump Shot.[/QUOTE]

In a way, the same could be said for Blake Griffin, but the other way around. When the Clippers played the Spurs the other day, the team looked so much better with "B-Diddy" running the point as oppose to the inexperienced Bledsoe. Alongside Davis, Griffin got better looks, and his scoring will likely jump a bit the more they play together. Much like Howard, Griffin is good for a couple of alley-oops a night - it's just, it helps to have play makers and point guards who can find that. It doesn't have to be Stockton, but somebody who knows a thing or two about assisting players in the NBA.

[QUOTE=sosolid4u09]Durant can still improve in so many ways. his defense his rebounding his passing his turnovers.[/QUOTE]
Those improvements are going to do very little compared to the improvements Rose and Griffin can make. Griffin and Rose could also lead the NBA in scoring but on better fg% too and they would be much better all around players Griffin could be getting 15 rebounds with 5 assists in his prime Rose could average 10 assists 6 rebounds.

[QUOTE=Ikill]What? I didn't say he was going to be[/QUOTE]

sorry mate looks like i misquoted.
i was talking to the jennings fan in this thread

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]Honestly, I don't put any stock into stats like defensive win shares.

And, I don't see Griffin being the offensive player Malone or Barkley were.[/QUOTE]
Why can't he be

[QUOTE=sosolid4u09]sorry mate looks like i misquoted.
i was talking to the jennings fan in this thread[/QUOTE]
Okay its all good

[QUOTE=Ikill]Those improvements are going to do very little compared to the improvements Rose and Griffin can make. Griffin and Rose could also lead the NBA in scoring but on better fg% too and they would be much better all around players Griffin could be getting 15 rebounds with 5 assists in his prime Rose could average 10 assists 6 rebounds.[/QUOTE]

that is true.problem for rose is there are a lot of great pg's in the league already. he needs to distance himself from guys like cp3 and d-will before he can be in conversation for best player in the nba, which at this stage looks very very difficult to do. rose does have the potential though. he is ATM my fave player to watch in the nba

[QUOTE=SCdac]In a way, the same could be said for Blake Griffin, but the other way around. When the Clippers played the Spurs the other day, the team looked so much better with "B-Diddy" running the point as oppose to the inexperienced Bledsoe. Alongside Davis, Griffin got better looks, and his scoring will likely jump a bit the more they play together. Much like Howard, Griffin is good for a couple of alley-oops a night - it's just, it helps to have play makers and point guards who can find that. It doesn't have to be Stockton, but somebody who knows a thing or two about assisting players in the NBA.[/QUOTE]

very true

1. derrick rose
2. kevin durant
3. blake griffen

i dont see a ceiling for rose

[QUOTE=sosolid4u09]that is true.problem for rose is there are a lot of great pg's in the league already. he needs to distance himself from guys like cp3 and d-will before he can be in conversation for best player in the nba, which at this stage looks very very difficult to do. rose does have the potential though. he is ATM my fave player to watch in the nba[/QUOTE]
True I don't know if he could become a better pg than CP3 or Dwill but i think he could be a better player.

[QUOTE=Ikill]True I don't know if he could become a better pg than CP3 or Dwill but i think he could be a better player.[/QUOTE]

yea i could see that happening.

problem is that in the future if rose does keep improving, if someone says ''rose is the best player in the nba'', inevitably people will claim ''whatever hes not even the best PG. cp3/d-will is better. so hell always have that monkey on his back. unless he can surpass them as PG's!

i think he is a better scorer than them. and could possibly become better all round aswel. it just seems like such a mountain to climb coz cp3/d-will are near enough perfect point guards. But it does seem rose has no ceiling to his talents. who knows with how good the bulls could become he is deffo a potential future mvp candidate

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]Honestly, I don't put any stock into stats like defensive win shares.

And, I don't see Griffin being the offensive player Malone or Barkley were.[/QUOTE]

It's too early to say he will or won't be better than them if you ask me. He hasn't even played every team yet, let alone had the opportunity to play with a John Stockton or a Kevin Johnson kind of player.

Per-36 minutes, as rookies, Malone and Barkley were at about 17-18 PPG, and they improved as their careers progressed. Griffin is about on pace with that (better). Both of them had better jump shots than Griffin, but I wouldn't say they were far and away better.

What leads me to believe Griffin is a great offensive player (not just good) is his activity, body control, and ball handling ability. He can score in more ways than one, and as his jumper improves it's only going to open things up for him. Right now he's assisted on about 56% of his shots, which isn't far from current Gasol and Stoudemire (not that those players are as good as the ones mentioned, but it's still impressive on Blake's part).

Obviously he's not as good as prime Barkley or Malone... but it's more appropriate to compare Griff to them as rookies, not as players with 5-6 seasons under their belt. As a rookie, his overall game is very solid, he should/could win ROY right now IMO. Definitely showing flashes of offensive dominance, on a team that's a bottom dweller independent of him.

I don't mind defensive win shares, as long as it's not used as an end-all be-all. Certain players, per 100 possessions, are going to produce better defensively than others, and given the minutes Blake is getting, the rebounds he's gobbling up, and the blocks/steals, it doesn't surprise me he's leading the team in DWS

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]Honestly, I don't put any stock into stats like defensive win shares.

[B]And, I don't see Griffin being the offensive player Malone or Barkley were.[/B][/QUOTE]

Griffin has the ability to be just as good as those guys. Whether he ends up there is a different story.

[QUOTE=Sarcastic]Griffin has the ability to be just as good as those guys. Whether he ends up there is a different story.[/QUOTE]
ability and potential are a different thing dummy