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[QUOTE=LJJ]You don't see the difference between killing an animal for a basic necessity and systematically torturing an animal for pure pleasure?
Okay.[/QUOTE]
consumption of meat is not a human necessity to survive. At one point in our evolutionary and cultural history it was, that time has passed. It's a choice.
It is currently, the single most destructive industry in the world, both to the ecology and to our overall health.
There is nothing humane about the way they are raised or slaughtered and the very act of raising them is destroying our planet more than any other industry.
Killing is killing. You can rationalize it any way you want, but unless it's purely for your immediate survival, it's not necessary.
That's cool, yall.
[QUOTE=lakerspng]consumption of meat is not a human necessity to survive. At one point in our evolutionary and cultural history it was, that time has passed. It's a choice.
It is currently, the single most destructive industry in the world, both to the ecology and to our overall health.
There is nothing humane about the way they are raised or slaughtered and the very act of raising them is destroying our planet more than any other industry.
Killing is killing. You can rationalize it any way you want, but unless it's purely for your immediate survival, it's not necessary.[/QUOTE]
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Great post.
Vick did time for his involvement in pit bull fighting, the haters are just self righteous hypocrites.
I know people who say they hate Vick and will never forgive him for fighting pit bulls. These are the same people who shoot ducks, eat meat, wear fur and leather, with a deer head hanging over their fire place. :facepalm
[QUOTE=lakerspng]consumption of meat is not a human necessity to survive. At one point in our evolutionary and cultural history it was, that time has passed. It's a choice.
It is currently, the single most destructive industry in the world, both to the ecology and to our overall health.
There is nothing humane about the way they are raised or slaughtered and the very act of raising them is destroying our planet more than any other industry.
Killing is killing. You can rationalize it any way you want, but unless it's purely for your immediate survival, it's not necessary.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying the meat industry isn't an evil thing, but I don't live in this world where there is only absolute evil and absolute good.
What Vick did is a helluva lot more evil than eating a hamburger. Fu[FONT="Arial"]c[/FONT]k outta here, seriously.
he still a fokin f@g for what he did
[QUOTE=JBull]he still a fokin f@g for what he did[/QUOTE]
ye i agree... vick is fukd up 4 doin dat shit.. cant see how ppl still support him
[QUOTE=LJJ]I'm not saying the meat industry isn't an evil thing, but I don't live in this world where there is only absolute evil and absolute good.
What Vick did is a helluva lot more evil than eating a hamburger. Fu[FONT="Arial"]c[/FONT]k outta here, seriously.[/QUOTE]
Just because fat hamburger eating slob allows the 'evil' meat industry to virtually torture & kill the animals for them that completely absolves them? Out of sight out of mind ,huh?
Meat eaters are the ones who are driving that "Evil' meat industry you speak of and most of you seem to have little problem with it.
Get over Vick & go eat some of that meat from the 'evil' meat industry or something dude.
[QUOTE=LJJ]I'm not saying the meat industry isn't an evil thing, but I don't live in this world where there is only absolute evil and absolute good.
What Vick did is a helluva lot more evil than eating a hamburger. Fu[FONT="Arial"]c[/FONT]k outta here, seriously.[/QUOTE]
Hypocrisy and double standards again.
So you enjoy the luxury of eating a burger, meat from an animal lives their entire life in a small box container without ever even walking until someone finally chops their head off. But because Vick enjoyed the luxury of fighting pitbulls its different to you?
Okay.
Vick fought pitbulls. He's a monster but if a guy shoots a moose then tracks it down and shoots it again for no reason but personal pleasure.....hes a sportsman.
[QUOTE=Ne 1]And in China, Korea and South America people eat dog meat.
As I see it, raising cattle to be slaughtered for human consumption (or pigs, chickens, goats, or lamb is no different than raising and training dogs to fight, even to the death. The slaughter of animals is no less of a cause of death to the animals than a dog fight is a cause of death to the dogs. The consumption of animals is no more necessary than a dog fight. Both are ultimately for human pleasure. Meat is a luxury. Many go their entire natural lives without ever consuming meat.
You better be as eager to refute the meat and poultry industries as you are to refute Vick.
Where is the logic? You wear leather, right? You eat meat, right? Where is the outrage about the industries that allow you those pleasures? The reason you are not upset with them is that you don't see the "cruelty" that goes into killing a pig. Barely out of the womb, piglets are held up by one leg and subjected to the following: without anesthetic, their genitals and tails are cut off, their ears are sliced and their teeth are pulled out with pliers. This is how they begin their lives. The rest of it will be spent in a space barely large enough to move. This is a sentient animal with a nervous system fully capable of feeling pain just like you do.
But you know what? I love to eat bacon, beef and poultry products.
Much in the same way that Vick enjoyed watching dogs do battle. So you won't hear me saying a word about Vick, because I know that if I said anything, I would be the world's biggest hypocrite.[/QUOTE]
repped. :applause:
The hypocrites who eat the stressed out/tortured meats from our meat industry feel a bit self righteous I assume because the blood is not directly on their hands.
They pay the meat industry to brutalize the animals for them.
Unfortunately for pigs(which scientist claim are more intelligent than dogs), cows,chickens,turkeys ,etc........ they aren't on the taboo list(at least in America) of animals like dogs , horses,cats,etc...
[QUOTE=32jazz]Just because fat hamburger eating slob allows the 'evil' meat industry to virtually torture & kill the animals for them that completely absolves them? Out of sight out of mind ,huh?
Meat eaters are the ones who are driving that "Evil' meat industry you speak of and most of you seem to have little problem with it.
Get over Vick & go eat some of that meat from the 'evil' meat industry or something dude.[/QUOTE]
Who says I even eat meat? Assumptions much? I'm a very conscientious eater myself. Although I can't lie: I enjoy a nice steak or something from time to time, I barely eat meat as part of my day to day diet. If everybody would consume meat the way I do, and not the completely disgusting way most US citizens do, the meat industry would be a far better thing than it is now.
The thing is, things created in horrible unfair ways are all around us. Meat, but also clothes, uhm, really everything you buy in stores has some kind of horrible situation attached to it.
It's something we all indirectly participate in. Keyword is indirectly.
Personally torturing animals for nothing but amusement? That's something completely different and a much greater evil you can commit as an individual. Seeing a difference between this is not hypocrisy at all, you people must have stopped going to school after grade school.
It's easy to go down to a burger joint, get your big mac or double double or whatever it is you do, and not think about what went into it.
The truth is, they could stick anything they wanted between those buns and 90% of people would never even think about it, they've been so conditioned to accept that... it's just a burger. out of sight, out of mind.
Vick did a horrible thing. There is no excuse for it. He's since worked hard to correct it. That's a step in the right direction.
The defense that ignorance somehow makes a person less culpable for the killing done is ridiculous, but very convenient for those doing it.
I didn't kill the cow, therefore it doesn't matter if I eat it. BS. You eating it, is why they kill the cow. If there was no market for it, it wouldn't be done. Simple.
If you consume an industry, you support an industry, you are part of an industry. I drive a car, therefore I support the oil industry, whether I agree with what they do or not. Do I need a car to survive? No, but it makes my life a heck of a lot easier. Am I a hypocrite when I disparage the practices of the oil companies? Yes I am. What's the alternative? Ride a bike around Los Angeles for my daily activities? It's a lot easier to be a vegetarian than commute around LA on a bike, let me tell you. Yet that does not excuse my choice to support an industry that's tearing our world apart, socially, economically, politically and physically. I am as guilty as Exxon Mobil, or BP. Same is true for anyone who eats meat.
[QUOTE=LJJ]Who says I even eat meat? Assumptions much? I'm a very conscientious eater myself. Although I can't lie: I enjoy a nice steak or something from time to time, I barely eat meat as part of my day to day diet. If everybody would consume meat the way I do, and not the completely disgusting way most US citizens do, the meat industry would be a far better thing than it is now.
The thing is, things created in horrible unfair ways are all around us. Meat, but also clothes, uhm, really everything you buy in stores has some kind of horrible situation attached to it.
It's something we all indirectly participate in. Keyword is indirectly.
Personally torturing animals for nothing but amusement? That's something completely different and a much greater evil you can commit as an individual. Seeing a difference between this is not hypocrisy at all, you people must have stopped going to school after grade school.[/QUOTE]
I haven't condoned dog fighting anywhere it's just the disproportionate amount of criticism/jail time given to Vick.
The UNPRECEDENTED 2 years in prison is the only true problem I had with the whole situation.
Vick has gotten his life back on track & ,barring some catastrophe, he is set to make tens of millions again. You guys need to get over it & move on.
A dead tortured animals is still a dead tortured anmal no matter how/why you skin him.
Jesus Kobe this is the most arrogant thing I've ever heard :oldlol:
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