Major misconceptions regarding the labor dispute between Owners and NBA's Players

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Or are you saying there's a "soft" max and then a hard max? ...that was a dirty dirty sentence.[/QUOTE]

I think this is correct.

They will have a soft cap that you can't pass over unless you have an exception like Bird rights for a player.

Then on top of that, there will be a max cap that you cannot over no matter what.

Currently there is technically no limit to how far you can go over the cap.

So it would be something like the soft is $62m and the max is $80m.

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[QUOTE=kentatm]I think this is correct.

They will have a soft cap that you can't pass over unless you have an exception like Bird rights for a player.

Then on top of that, there will be a max cap that you cannot over no matter what.

Currently there is technically no limit to how far you can go over the cap.

So it would be something like the soft is $62m and the max is $80m.[/QUOTE]
It's still bullshit.

You acquire birds right from players anyways in trades. So a team could still go over the cap to get their players back..

IE) Chicago did this with Jordan making 30 million.

Except it was a bit different because your own players didn't count towards your cap space or something bullshit like that.

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[quote=EsquireSports]Basically it goes like this, you never want to piss of your adversary in a one-on-one negotiating situation. While some reports have correctly stated that you don't want to start with your final offer, you also don't want to begin an outlandish offer that mobilizes your opponent. I think its possible that the Owners' have done just that.

From what I can tell, the Players don't feel that the Owners are treating them with respect with these tactics. First off tho the Players' this insistence towards taking past money that the Players' feel they have already earned and collectively bargained is mind boggling.

Another issue that is also of supreme importance in these negotiations, is the economics of the league. Right now the Owners and Players differ fundamentally on how the economics of the league should function once the new CBA is implemented. Everybody agrees that in the previous collective bargaining agreement small-market teams suffered financially. The disagreement lies in how this issue should be addressed. [/quote]

Yahoo Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski blasts Stern's leadership tactics during the onging labor dispute with the NBA's players >>>>> [url]http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Au6a4Rn3_7ksVM_HylZlEOw5nYcB?slug=aw-wojnarowski_nba_draft_labor_war062511[/url]

[quote]Stern has brought the sport into an unnecessarily dark and ominous place. He has let too many incompetent owners buy into the NBA, and helped them thrust too many incompetent management teams into marching themselves back to the top of the lottery year after year.

[b]The lockout

Wanted to bump this thread after I've seen more and more talk about the Owners not being united, with some having no interest in implementing a hard cap. This is the first signs that the Ownership are nowhere near as united as David Stern would like for us to believe. Now that some pre-season activites have been cancelled there are only a few more weeks to go until games will start being cancelled.

Stay tuned.

[QUOTE=2LeTTeRS]Wanted to bump this thread after I've seen more and more talk about the Owners not being united, with some having no interest in implementing a hard cap. This is the first signs that the Ownership are nowhere near as united as David Stern would like for us to believe. Now that some pre-season activites have been cancelled there are only a few more weeks to go until games will start being cancelled.

Stay tuned.[/QUOTE]The players will break before the owners do. Already agents are lining up players to decertify the Union which is something Hunter and Fisher want to avoid. This Union isn't strong enough to handle decertification it will fragment and sides will be taken in the player ranks. Owners can wait them out.

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[QUOTE]COMPARISON OF UNITY OF OWNERS vs. PLAYERS

FAN #1: Look, the NBA Union is about to be busted. 2/3 of the NBA Owners wont stand being farm teams to bigger markets when those big markets have just as much ability to draft and cultivate their own talent.

MY RESPONSE: Too bad the other 1/3 of the Owners have power as well. Not to mention their teams are in big markets and have more power and money than the average owner. Do you really think Dolan and Buss and the Arison

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Trust me, this is not a big market vs small market problem. Its a well run team vs. poorly run team issue.[/QUOTE]
But when equally run, is the difference significant? I think that's what people want, to make the difference in advantage as low as possible.

[QUOTE=iamgine]But when equally run, is the difference significant? I think that's what people want, to make the difference in advantage as low as possible.[/QUOTE]

It certainly hasn't stopped San Antonio at all, nor has it helped the Clippers or New York in any way possible.

[QUOTE=iamgine]But when equally run, is the difference significant? I think that's what people want, to make the difference in advantage as low as possible.[/QUOTE]

This.

On one hand you have teams that have been run well and still struggle to attract stars and even stay in their cities, on the other hand you have the Knicks who have been run by utter idiots for a decade and still can turn things around in one season. The Knicks spent a good chunk of the decade with a payroll that was almost twice the salary cap. How the f*ck is that fair to all the teams that actually have to think about how their spend their money?

[QUOTE=Sarcastic]It certainly hasn't stopped San Antonio at all, nor has it helped the Clippers or New York in any way possible.[/QUOTE]

Yup. People keep trying to paint a picture that these big city teams are bullies and all this crap. Sure it's easier to be successful and attract good players in a big city but by no means is it as big of a handicap as people cry about. San Antonio this decade and Indiana the decade before are great examples of smaller market teams being run very well and excelling to compete with big market teams.

[QUOTE=Sarcastic]It certainly hasn't stopped San Antonio at all, nor has it helped the Clippers or New York in any way possible.[/QUOTE]
Well they're not equally run though.