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[QUOTE=catch24]You claimed you've never seen Kobe shut down guys like Iverson, right? Well, the footage I just posted doesn't lie. Iverson was rendered to 7 of 25 shooting which includes his GW shot attempt being blocked by, you guessed it, Kobe Bryant.
Shut-down.[/QUOTE]
True and true. I'll take my lumps.
Despite shooting worse, getting less bds and less assts, the 5 blks on AI in a regular season game from 13 years ago truly mean that Kobe > Bird.
[QUOTE=Joey Zaza]Except Bird did it better.[/QUOTE]
I know you must be lonely and want to start debating to kill time but any true basketball fan will tell you that Kobe is better than Bird.
People actually forget about Bird in GOAT discussions because he's not that good compared to guys coming up or taking the spot....like a Duncan or a Kobe.
The 80's era was an era of inflated stats and Bird was a media darling. A sport that was dominated by black players and you have this one white guy. He is truly where he's at because of his skin color.
[QUOTE=RRR3]So LeBron didn't shut down Derrick Rose? :roll:[/QUOTE]
He didn't. Don't be delulded by the 6% ESPN was shoving down your throat.
Rose was able to blow by LeBron off the dribble but the HEAT sent several defenders in the paint to alter his shot. He was also trapped off the P&R to make him give the ball up.
Think about it. Do you really think LeBron with all the added weight could stay in front of a blur like Rose? He doesn't have the foot speed to do so.
James played great defense but he didn't shut him down single handedly. Team effort.
[QUOTE=Joey Zaza]True and true. I'll take my lumps.
Despite shooting worse, getting less bds and less assts, the 5 blks on AI in a regular season game from 13 years ago truly mean that Kobe > Bird.[/QUOTE]
Anyone that has an ounce of basketball perspective would rank Bird over Kobe. I was only addressing your 'never seen Kobe do this' claim.
The truth of the matter is, when Kobe is being compared to other greats, they are usually MJ, Magic, Duncan or Shaq.
Nobody compares Kobe to Bird because Bird is an afterthought. People know Kobe is better than Bird.
Only Kobe haters and Boston homers would say otherwise.
[QUOTE=catch24]You claimed you've never seen Kobe shut down guys like Iverson, right? Well, the footage I just posted doesn't lie. Iverson was rendered to 7 of 25 shooting which includes his GW shot attempt being blocked by, you guessed it, Kobe Bryant.
Shut-down.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3937/2001lol.jpg[/IMG]
Iverson usually raped Kobe & teammates over years but he was unguardable in those years..still Kobe wasn't that great defender to put him over Bird as overall player.
[QUOTE=TheLogo]The truth of the matter is, when Kobe is being compared to other greats, they are usually MJ, Magic, Duncan or Shaq.
Nobody compares Kobe to Bird because Bird is an afterthought. People know Kobe is better than Bird.
Only Kobe haters and Boston homers would say otherwise.[/QUOTE]
I think even Bill Simmons ranks Kobe ahead of Bird these days, and he's the worst Bird homer of all time.
[QUOTE=rodman91][IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3937/2001lol.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
That's the only time Iverson ever had a big game against Kobe.
The game catch24 posted, the game @ LA from the 2001 season, the game where AI had 49 points in 3 quarters and only 2 in the 4th were games where Kobe flatout shut him down.
[QUOTE=rodman91][IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3937/2001lol.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Remind me who won that series again? Iverson wasn't even defending Kobe anyway :oldlol:
If you read the post I was quoting, you'd understand I wasn't downplaying Iverson. Dude said he never saw Kobe shut down players like Iverson so I gave him the footage he was looking for.
[QUOTE=Droid101]I think even Bill Simmons ranks Kobe ahead of Bird these days, and he's the worst Bird homer of all time.[/QUOTE]
/thread.
I believe he does now.
[QUOTE=catch24][QUOTE=rodman91][IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3937/2001lol.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE
Remind me who won that series again? Iverson wasn't even defending Kobe anyway :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Lakers won series.It doesn't mean Kobe defend Iverson well.Plus,it would be delusional to expect 6'0 player to guard 6'6 in a series...
[QUOTE=RRR3]Sh-sh-sh-sh-shuh-shuh-shut d-d-d-d-down!!!!!!!:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:[/QUOTE]
He didn't shut anyone down. Are you his yes-man?
[QUOTE=rodman91]
Iverson usually raped Kobe & teammates over years but he was unguardable in those years..still Kobe wasn't that great defender to put him over Bird as overall player.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol:
[QUOTE=catch24]Anyone that has an ounce of basketball perspective would rank Bird over Kobe. I was only addressing your 'never seen Kobe do this' claim.[/QUOTE]
I have Bird over Kobe, but I don't understand this notion. Why?
Wouldn't it depend heavily on your criteria? How much does longevity play a factor? How much do stats play a factor?...etc.
There are certainly some criteria that could lead to Kobe being ranked over Bird. I do personally think there was a gap, but not this huge one that means anyone saying Kobe was better is a moron.
I don't see that.
[QUOTE=rodman91]
Iverson usually raped Kobe & teammates over years but he was unguardable in those years..still Kobe wasn't that great defender to put him over Bird as overall player.[/QUOTE]
He wasn't "raping" anyone. Especially not with his sub ~ 30% shooting vs the Lakers :oldlol:
Get real.