ISH All-time Top 25 Guards Project: #2 Kobe Bryant vs Magic Johnson.

It's kinda funny that Magic will win this by a pretty easy margin, but when Kobe is 15+ removed from the leagie via retirement, it will end up being a 50/50 split at worst for Kobe....and 75/25 at best in favor of Bryant.

[QUOTE=Carbine]It's kinda funny that Magic will win this by a pretty easy margin, but when Kobe is 15+ removed from the leagie via retirement, it will end up being a 50/50 split at worst for Kobe....and 75/25 at best in favor of Bryant.[/QUOTE]
I doubt it. Kobe imo is going to go down after retirement. He has a legion of stat based haters unlike any other.

I wouldn't be surprised if bruceblitz convinces people here Kobe isn't a top 20 player during that time period.

[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]I doubt it. Kobe imo is going to go down after retirement. He has a legion of stat based haters unlike any other.

I wouldn't be surprised if bruceblitz convinces people here Kobe isn't a top 20 player during that time period.[/QUOTE]

If Kobe continues to win more championships, I'm not really sure you can 'hate' on his legacy; don't think he'll drop either. Bill Russell has moderately-good individual statistics but his led-championships are why he's at the very least top 5. Kobe needs to continue to win, and if he does, he's going up...not down.

Gotta love the guys who claim its so obvious yet struggle to actually point out something worthwhile :oldlol:

I think people really have deluded themselves into thinking Kobe Bryant is simply 5 RINGSSSSS and don't know how to react when his sustained level of extended dominance (All star awards, All league awards and all defensive team awards) matches up favorably to pretty much anybody and everybody in the history of the league.

[QUOTE=catch24]If Kobe continues to win more championships, I'm not really sure you can 'hate' on his legacy; don't think he'll drop either. Bill Russell has moderately-good individual statistics but his led-championships are why he's at the very least top 5. Kobe needs to continue to win, and if he does, he's going up...not down.[/QUOTE]
maybe. The only thing I would add is there infinitely more gametape and advanced stats for Kobe to get hated on for. Also, I'm not sure la is gonna win any more titles with kobe. They need to shake things up.

[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]maybe. The only thing I would add is there infinitely more gametape and advanced stats for Kobe to get hated on for. Also, I'm not sure la is gonna win any more titles with kobe. They need to shake things up.[/QUOTE]

The fallacy is that "advanced stats" has ever mattered in player legacy. It hasn't and never will. How many more Derick Rose and Steve Nash MVPs do you all need to see to realize this?

[QUOTE=Nick Young]The one with more All-NBA teams, he didn't get a chance to play with Kareem and Worthy but STILL has as many rings as magicc[/QUOTE]

only you (and your troll crew) would act like 2000 Shaq was inferior to Kareem in the 80s or somehow pump James Worthy to be an elite legend when he was no better than Vince Carter or, you know, Pau Gasol.

[QUOTE=EricForman]only you (and your troll crew) would act like 2000 Shaq was inferior to Kareem in the 80s or somehow pump James Worthy to be an elite legend when he was no better than Vince Carter or, you know, Pau Gasol.[/QUOTE]

The difference is Magic had Kareem AND Worthy.... Kobe had Shaq OR Gasol

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]The difference is Magic had Kareem AND Worthy.... Kobe had Shaq OR Gasol[/QUOTE]

and Magic played his rival, who had McHale,Paris and DJ...

gotta look at eras. Magic's team was stacked but he went at a stacked team in Boston too. Now if Boston never existed and Magic was just feasting on poor overmatched mid 80s Bulls or Pistons, then I'd knock MAgic for having superior help. But that wasn't the case.

[QUOTE=EricForman]and Magic played his rival, who had McHale,Paris and DJ...

gotta look at eras. Magic's team was stacked but he went at a stacked team in Boston too. Now if Boston never existed and Magic was just feasting on poor overmatched mid 80s Bulls or Pistons, then I'd knock MAgic for having superior help. But that wasn't the case.[/QUOTE]


yeah he played them 3 times in 12 years and beat them twice...:rockon:

you got nothing.....




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[QUOTE=EricForman]only you (and your troll crew) would act like 2000 Shaq was inferior to Kareem in the 80s or somehow pump James Worthy to be an elite legend when he was no better than Vince Carter or, you know, Pau Gasol.[/QUOTE]
LOL Magic had Kareem and Worthy AT THE SAME TIME not to mention quality role players like Byron Scott and Kurt Rambis.

The best third option Kobe ever had was an old grandpa Glen Rice or a grandpa Karl Malone

[QUOTE=Nick Young]LOL Magic had Kareem and Worthy AT THE SAME TIME not to mention quality role players like Byron Scott and Kurt Rambis.

The best third option Kobe ever had was an old grandpa Glen Rice or a grandpa Karl Malone[/QUOTE]

As long as there were other team(s) in the league with similar fire power (and Boston did), than Magic wasn't exactly getting an unfair advantage. Also, 2000 Shaq was better than any Kareem in the 80s.

It's so sad, Kobe trolls have to take down everyone to make Kobe better, even Magic, a guy who did so much for the franchise Kobe's played for.

Listen, I won't argue with you on Magic vs Kobe, because Kobe HAS A CASE of being better than him, so you may have a point. unlike, you know, [B]MICHAEL JORDAN[/B]. :oldlol:

UMAD?

Magic hands down.

Sure, Kobe can score better/more, he can play better defense, but Magic just knows how to play better.... .specially when it matters the most.

Magic's IQ alone>>>>

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]yeah he played them 3 times in 12 years and beat them twice...:rockon:

you got nothing.....




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He also faced the Sixers with Dr.J, Toney, Cheeks, Bobby Jones, and later Moses. And the Pistons with Dantley, Thomas, Dumars, Rodman, Laimbeer, Vinnie Johnson, and later Mark Aguirre. Who are way better than the Nets, Pacers, Sixers, and Magic(09).



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[QUOTE=andgar923]Magic hands down.

Sure, Kobe can score better/more, he can play better defense, but Magic just knows how to play better.... .specially when it matters the most.

Magic's IQ alone>>>>[/QUOTE]


LOL so If Kobe can score and play better defense which is pretty much 100% of the game then how is it "Hands down" ?

I do agree Magic had a better TEAM Bball IQ with better Instincts but those alone does not make him better then Kobe.

Lets all be real if you are not over 40 you know shiit about 80's Basketball. I can pin point the haters Clearly in this tread especially the ones who pick Magic with no argument since they have none to begin with because they lack the knowledge and have Kobe hate take over them. Bottom line I only see two Legit post saying Magic was better and one of them is by Shaqattack but then again Shaqattack picked Nash over Iverson....