The "Ring" Argument

[QUOTE=SlayerEnraged]Rings matter. Nope, Fisher isn't better than Lebron but when you compare 2 players who are about equal as far as ability goes, the one with more rings should and always does get the nod.[/QUOTE]
What happens when a player has only been in the league for a year and is already at the same ability as an older player with rings? Please stfu, using rings in a argument is stupid, so many factors and luck combine to win a championship, teammates, coaches, injuries, chemistry etc.

Kobe isnt better then Lebron because he has 5 rings ffs He has had the fortitude of having some great teammates and the greatest coach of all time and playing for a team that can go highly over the cap each year having the best talent.

Funny how no one dared to say this when people argue Jordan as the GOAT.

Its only come to light recently as Kobe has racked them up and proven to be a better player than his peers.

Suddenly, rings are a team achievement and hold no weight in determining an individuals worth. :roll: :roll:

If Jordan only won 1 ring he would be still the GOAT.

His abilities cant be questioned over a stupid ring.

[QUOTE=KDthunderup]What happens when a player has only been in the league for a year and is already at the same ability as an older player with rings? Please stfu, using rings in a argument is stupid, so many factors and luck combine to win a championship, teammates, coaches, injuries, chemistry etc.

Kobe isnt better then Lebron because he has 5 rings ffs He has had the fortitude of having some great teammates and the greatest coach of all time and playing for a team that can go highly over the cap each year having the best talent.[/QUOTE]

Repped

This

It's very unfair to compare Kobe's career to LBJ and Durant because Kobe started his career in 1996. LeBron and Durant might win more Regular Season and Finals MVP than Kobe before they officially retires in the NBA.

[QUOTE=pauk]wow[B]... and i thought i was the only person in this forum who understands that rings are TEAM accomplishments... [/B]

well said and i agree... had many of these threads before exposing the ring argument...

I agree on evaluating a players career/talent/skill based on the impact he was able to give to his team... resulting in team success........ you have to also look at what he had to work with around him and the competition he was up against, thats very important! But i dont agree on evaluating a players career and so on based on simply RINGS......... this is not tennis!

a player can be a WINNER without ever winning a ring... how? By getting the best team record, getting to the ECF/Finals with [B]a scrub team[/B] who immediately have the worst record in the NBA when you leave them....... thats one example of being a WINNER making your teammates so much better........

When looking upon a players Championship rings... you want to look at what he did for that team..
was he the best player in that team?
was he the best player in the nba?
was he a sidekick? benchplayer? roleplayer? 6th man?
what did he had to work with around him, where they scrubs, where they stacked?

my point is... its about the CONTEXT/VALUE of that Championship Ring and not about the Number of RINGS....[/QUOTE]

You're a clown. You would be singing a different tune right now if LeBron won the chip in 2007... or even 1 game for that matter.

[QUOTE=The Iron Fist]Funny how no one dared to say this when people argue Jordan as the GOAT.

Its only come to light recently as Kobe has racked them up and proven to be a better player than his peers.

Suddenly, rings are a team achievement and hold no weight in determining an individuals worth. :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]

No one said it about Jordan because he dominated like few have ever had, maybe even more so, during both the regular season and playoffs in addition to obtaining nearly every individual accolade one can achieve.

[QUOTE=The Iron Fist]Funny how no one dared to say this when people argue Jordan as the GOAT.

Its only come to light recently as Kobe has racked them up and proven to be a better player than his peers.

Suddenly, rings are a team achievement and hold no weight in determining an individuals worth. :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]


6x NBA MVP, 6x Finals MVP, and 11x Scoring Champion >>>> 1x NBA MVP, 2x FInals MVP, and 2x Scoring Champion.

[QUOTE=KDthunderup]What happens when a player has only been in the league for a year and is already at the same ability as an older player with rings? Please stfu, using rings in a argument is stupid, so many factors and luck combine to win a championship, teammates, coaches, injuries, chemistry etc.

[B]Kobe isnt better then Lebron because he has 5 rings ffs He has had the fortitude of having some great teammates and the greatest coach of all time and playing for a team that can go highly over the cap each year having the best talent[/B].[/QUOTE]

As far as all time rankings, yes Kobe is ahead of LeBron (partially) due to his rings. You think Kobe would be a Top 10 player all time if he had no championships or finals mvps?

Also, haven't you ever thought that Kobe has played a part in those Lakers teams and Phil being so highly revered? If Kobe were just another scrub, Phil most likely doesn't have 11 rings and Shaq doesn't have 4. Doesn't that count for something?

Loser talk


This is lebron fans in a nutshell

They think a role player ring is the same as a superstar ring lool


Just excuses for their choking hero

Fact is horrys rings do count WHEN COMPARING HIM TO ANOTHER ROLE PLAYER

Just as phil jacksons rings count WHEN COMPARING HIM TO ANOTHER COACH


Not all rings are created equally


When comparing kobe to lebron.. HELL YEA RINGS COUNT

Its why jordan is #1 all time and guys like malone and baylor are 15th at best

Jordan is also a superior regular season, playoffs, and finals performer than Kob1tch Bryant.

[QUOTE=KDthunderup]What happens when a player has only been in the league for a year and is already at the same ability as an older player with rings? Please stfu, using rings in a argument is stupid, so many factors and luck combine to win a championship, teammates, coaches, injuries, chemistry etc.

Kobe isnt better then Lebron because he has 5 rings ffs He has had the fortitude of having some great teammates and the greatest coach of all time and playing for a team that can go highly over the cap each year having the best talent.[/QUOTE]


No excuses. Bosh is > than Gasol (which incase you're a moron, Kobe won 2 with him) and Lebron had Wade last year and failed. Lebrons team actually had the best regular season record several years but he wasn't able to maintain that. You can be flamboyant about it all you want but the obstacle in basketball is to win. Therefore if you don't get it done (regardless of what reason), you haven't accomplished that obstacle. Duncan is gonna get the nod over Malone every time. Also in Lebrons 2 chances, they likely could have won if he would had played even decent.

[QUOTE=SlayerEnraged]No excuses. Bosh is > than Gasol (which incase you're a moron, Kobe won 2 with him) and Lebron had Wade last year and failed. Lebrons team actually had the best regular season record several years but he wasn't able to maintain that. You can be flamboyant about it all you want but the obstacle in basketball is to win. Therefore if you don't get it done (regardless of what reason), you haven't accomplished that obstacle. Duncan is gonna get the nod over Malone every time. Also in Lebrons 2 chances, they likely could have won if he would had played even decent.[/QUOTE]You say Bosh is better then Gasol but you claim that players around the same ability should be judged on rings :roll: :roll: Please, go suck Kobe's nuts some more

John Havlicek 8 rings. HOF'er, career 22 PPG in playoffs. Better than Kobe, right?

[QUOTE=RRR3]John Havlicek 8 rings. HOF'er, career 22 PPG in playoffs. Better than Kobe, right?[/QUOTE]
Must be according to Kobe fans

[QUOTE=RRR3]John Havlicek 8 rings. HOF'er, career 22 PPG in playoffs. Better than Kobe, right?[/QUOTE]

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