Jews the greatest ethnic group in terms of accomplishments for mankind???

[QUOTE=Big_Dogg]In the US or worldwide?

Regardless, they would drop the so called high IQ race figures.[/QUOTE]
nope, they study talmud and the zohar, all incredibly difficult texts, despite their secularity.

Jesus was a Jew. Nuf sed .

The idea of the Jew sort of confuses me... seems like the term incorporates both religion and "race". There are 13.2 million "Jews" in the world and there is a lot of "Caucasian" admixture not to mention the idea of "biological race" is nonsense to begin with, there is more variation seen within groups than between them. If you look at "Jews" from a genetic perspective (the kind and amount of alleles), you see they're basically "Arabs" with a different religion. I suggest you should include Muslims in this thread :lol

[QUOTE=fos]The idea of the Jew sort of confuses me... seems like the term incorporates both religion and "race". There are 13.2 million "Jews" in the world and there is a lot of "Caucasian" admixture not to mention the idea of "biological race" is nonsense to begin with, there is more variation seen within groups than between them. If you look at "Jews" from a genetic perspective (the kind and amount of alleles), you see they're basically "Arabs" with a different religion. I suggest you should include Muslims in this thread :lol[/QUOTE]
considering you arent jewish unless your mother was, it is a blood line. Doesn't matter what you want to call it.

Muslims clearly aren't jewish, they are a seperate religion, with a ton of converts from different races and ethnicities from all over the world, from white, to black to malaysian to arab. In Judaism there is a very very low percentage of converts because the conversion process takes like 3 years of study and even after going through with it many STILL don't consider you a true Jew if your mom wasnt Jewish.

[QUOTE=Big_Dogg]In the US or worldwide?

Regardless, they would drop the so called high IQ race figures.[/QUOTE]
the world, just a stat i plucked off the net so don't give it too much stock, but it unlikely to be far off from reality


[QUOTE]Talmudic logic is the most complicated type of thought in the world[/QUOTE]
lol sure

[QUOTE=Nick Young]considering you arent jewish unless your mother was, it is a blood line. Doesn't matter what you want to call it.

Muslims clearly aren't jewish, they are a seperate religion, with a ton of converts from different races and ethnicities from all over the world, from white, to black to malaysian to arab. In Judaism there is a very very low percentage of converts because the conversion process takes like 3 years of study and even after going through with it many STILL don't consider you a true Jew if your mom wasnt Jewish.[/QUOTE]

I'm saying from a genetic standpoint middle eastern Muslims and Jews are basically the same, which is sort of to be expected because they're suppose to both be the sons of Abraham and their God is suppose to be the same (but interpreted differently). It's pretty funny considering all the tension and conflict between them.

Darwin, Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler, Boyle, Pascal, and Newton aren't Jews :cheers:

[QUOTE=fos]I'm saying from a genetic standpoint middle eastern Muslims and Jews are basically the same, which is sort of to be expected because they're suppose to both be the sons of Abraham and their God is suppose to be the same (but interpreted differently). It's pretty funny considering all the tension and conflict between them.[/QUOTE]
this is silly. clearly cultural history that has endured for thousands of years into our current modern world easily takes precedence over a common lineage also thousands of years old.

[QUOTE=fos]I'm saying from a genetic standpoint middle eastern Muslims and Jews are basically the same, which is sort of to be expected because they're suppose to both be the sons of Abraham and their God is suppose to be the same (but interpreted differently). It's pretty funny considering all the tension and conflict between them.[/QUOTE]
hmm genetically though not really because again, for Jews the greatest intellects passed on their genes and got to procreate with the highest quality females, the smartest rabbis and scholars were consired the alphas and most desireable mates, for arabs it was the biggest and strongest physically.

Genetically they are not the same, though they look the same on the surface.

[QUOTE]Today's Ashkenazi Jews have a high average mathematical and verbal IQ and an unusual cognitive profile compared to other ethnic groups, including Sephardic and Oriental Jews.
From roughly 800 to 1650 CE, Ashkenazi Jews in Europe were a mostly isolated genetic group. When Ashkenazi Jews married non-Jews, they usually left the Jewish community; few non-Jews married into the Jewish community.
During the same period, laws barred Ashkenazi Jews from working most jobs, including farming and crafts, and forced them into finance, management, and international trade. Wealthy Jews had several more children per family than poor Jews. So, genes for cognitive traits such as verbal and mathematical talent, which make a person successful in the few fields where Jews could work, were favored; genes for irrelevant traits, such as spatio-visual abilities, were supported by less selective pressure than in the general population.
Today's Ashkenazi Jews suffer from a number of congenital diseases and mutations at higher rates than most other ethnic groups; these include Tay-Sachs, Gaucher's disease, Bloom's syndrome, and Fanconi anemia, and mutations at BRCA1 and BRCA2. These mutations' effects cluster in only a few metabolic pathways, suggesting that they arise from selective pressure rather than genetic drift. One cluster of these diseases affects sphingolipid storage, a secondary effect of which is increased growth of axons and dendrites. At least one of the diseases in this cluster, torsion dystonia, has been found anecdotally to correlate with exceptionally high IQ. Another cluster disrupts DNA repair, an extremely dangerous sort of mutation which is lethal in homozygotes. The authors speculate that these mutations give a cognitive benefit to heterozygotes by reducing inhibitions to neural growth, a benefit that would not outweigh its high costs except in an environment where it was strongly rewarded.
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Other suggested evolutionary accounts include: a long cultural history encouraging scholarship and learning;[4] a contribution of talent in the study of Torah to social success in Jewish communities;[5] the enforcement of a religious norm requiring Jewish fathers to educate their sons, whose high cost caused voluntary conversions, explaining a large part of a reduction in the size of the Jewish population;[6] that historic persecution of European Jews fell disproportionately on people of lower intelligence.[2]

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[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence[/url]

[QUOTE=RidonKs]this is silly. clearly cultural history that has endured for thousands of years into our current modern world easily takes precedence over a common lineage also thousands of years old.[/QUOTE]

I guess so but all Asians look alike to me :lol

[QUOTE=fos]I guess so but all Asians look alike to me :lol[/QUOTE]
all asians are the same :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=Nick Young]hmm genetically though not really because again, for Jews the greatest intellects passed on their genes and got to procreate with the highest quality females, the smartest rabbis and scholars were consired the alphas and most desireable mates, for arabs it was the biggest and strongest physically.

Genetically they are not the same, though they look the same on the surface.


[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence[/url][/QUOTE]

The Tay Sachs thing is interesting. It seems like the social history of Ashkenazi Jews (clustered in heavy urban areas) selected for Tay Sachs because heterozygotes were protected against tuberculosis.

Anyone not familiar with Tay Sachs should check it out, basically you give birth to a seemingly healthy baby only to watch it go deaf, blind, and stupid and typically die before age four. It's very sad. Since awareness of the disease as a "Jewish disease" screening is available that targets Jews and I believe now most new cases are non-Jews.

Certainly an accomplished grouping however I will forever praise the Arabic and Indian regions for their mathematical contributions to the world. I'm certain someone would have figured it out eventually but the head start that they got by the Indians discovering the use of "true" zero and the Arabic numbers cannot be over looked.

[QUOTE=Timmy D for MVP]Certainly an accomplished grouping however I will forever praise the Arabic and Indian regions for their mathematical contributions to the world. I'm certain someone would have figured it out eventually but the head start that they got by the Indians discovering the use of "true" zero and the Arabic numbers cannot be over looked.[/QUOTE]

Yeah threads like this are doomed for failure "My racial/religious/ethnic group is better than your racial/religious/ethnic group"!

We're all related, all of us have the same original ancestor. All religions basically are the same in that they're "rational" explanations to what man doesn't yet or can't understand.

Anyways, Bill Murray is worth at least 5 Einsteins IMO.

[QUOTE=Nick Young]Lawl do you know anything about the Talmud?
Talmudic logic is the most complicated type of thought in the world and simply studying and understanding it is a vast intellectual accomplishment all itself even if you have nothing new to add to a Talmudic discussion.[/QUOTE]
How does it differ from regular logic? Do they just take a dump over logic with a bunch of religious nonsense and accept it as fact? Pure logic is universal.