[QUOTE=97 bulls]I just wish he could've had five years leading the bulls. There's no doubt he wins an mvp and dpoy. While leading a team to a championship[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=97 bulls]I just wish he could've had five years leading the bulls. There's no doubt he wins an mvp and dpoy. While leading a team to a championship[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=97 bulls]You said pippen was always on stacked teams. Arent you the one saying pippen is overrated cuz he didn't lead a stacked bulls team is to a championship in 94?[/QUOTE]
Pippen WAS always on stacked teams.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]You said pippen was always on stacked teams. Arent you the one saying pippen is overrated cuz he didn't lead a stacked bulls team is to a championship in 94?[/QUOTE]
NOPE...i'm saying he's overrated by YOU thinking he's a #1 option which he is clearly NOT. :no:
[QUOTE=bwink23]Sure i can agree with that.[/QUOTE]
Then why say they were essentially the same team? They weren't actually. I mean the names were on the roster, but their roles drastically changed.
Understand that im a huge jordan fan like you. I put so much stock in jordans role on that 91-93bulls team that when jordan retired, I literally saw the bulls as a .500 team. And what the bulls did in 94 in no way degrades jordan. But just shows how great the bulls were.
I see the 94 bulls as being the 96 bulls minus jordan and with rodman replacing grant. And that's why they won 72 games
[QUOTE=bwink23]NOPE...i'm saying he's overrated by YOU thinking he's a #1 option which he is clearly NOT. :no:[/QUOTE]
Lol number 1 option? Or best player on a championship caliber team/leader? Scoring alot of point wasn't pippens game. I remember in an interview jackson said pippen could've avg more ppg in 94, but that it would've been at the expense of wins. Pipppen had more of a PGs mentality.
So I agree, pippen should be looked at as a number 1 option type player
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Lol number 1 option? Or best player on a championship caliber team/leader? Scoring alot of point wasn't pippens game. I remember in an interview jackson said pippen could've avg more ppg in 94, but that it would've been at the expense of wins. Pipppen had more of a PGs mentality.
So I agree, pippen should be looked at as a number 1 option type player[/QUOTE]
Who's a better franchise player Prime Scottie Pippen or Current Derrick Rose?
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Then why say they were essentially the same team? They weren't actually. I mean the names were on the roster, but their roles drastically changed.
Understand that im a huge jordan fan like you. I put so much stock in jordans role on that 91-93bulls team that when jordan retired, I literally saw the bulls as a .500 team. And what the bulls did in 94 in no way degrades jordan. But just shows how great the bulls were.
I see the 94 bulls as being the 96 bulls minus jordan and with rodman replacing grant. And that's why they won 72 games[/QUOTE]
Pippen, Grant, and Armstrong were the CORE of that championship team. That was well in tact. What the Bulls had were 3-PEAT bound role players stepping in and filling voids. This was far from a DEFUNCT team. They had nice additions....your claim that this team had a "lack of talent" is laughable....
Whatever "changed" was merely replaced by future players of another 3-PEAT championship squad.
The Bulls won 15 games that year with Pippen scoring less than 20 points. Someone was filling that scoring void, it sure as hell wasn't Pippen. To his credit, he was a GREAT all-around player, and could literally do everything. But he didn't somehow throw a worthless team on his back and carry them to 55 wins.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Lol number 1 option? Or best player on a championship caliber team/leader? Scoring alot of point wasn't pippens game. I remember in an interview jackson said pippen could've avg more ppg in 94, but that it would've been at the expense of wins. Pipppen had more of a PGs mentality.
So I agree, pippen should be looked at as a number 1 option type player[/QUOTE]
[B]Pippen was never, would never, could never be a #1 option that could take a team to a championship....PERIOD[/B]
The Bulls won 18 of the 72 games (32.7% of their games won) Pippen played with him averaging this:
16.4 points
8.9 rebs.
6.6 assists
2.9 steals
1.1 blocks..........now tell me he had a "lack of talent"
[QUOTE=bwink23]Pippen, Grant, and Armstrong were the CORE of that championship team. That was well in tact. What the Bulls had were 3-PEAT bound role players stepping in and filling voids. This was far from a DEFUNCT team. They had nice additions....your claim that this team had a "lack of talent" is laughable....
Whatever "changed" was merely replaced by future players of another 3-PEAT championship squad.
The Bulls won 15 games that year with Pippen scoring less than 20 points. Someone was filling that scoring void, it sure as hell wasn't Pippen. To his credit, he was a GREAT all-around player, and could literally do everything. But he didn't somehow throw a worthless team on his back and carry them to 55 wins.[/QUOTE]
That void was michal jordan wink. Saying that is how you undermine jordan. Horace grant and bj armstrong don't count as void fillers cuz they were on that 93 bulls team too. The void filler was former cba journeymen pete myers and rookie kukoc.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]I just wish he could've had five years leading the bulls. There's no doubt he wins an mvp and dpoy. While leading a team to a championship[/QUOTE]
You give up from Jordan to see him win mvp & dpoy? I wish Jordan never retired, so we could get 8 in a row.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]That void was michal jordan wink. Saying that is how you undermine jordan. [B]Horace grant and bj armstrong don't count as void fillers cuz they were on that 93 bulls team too.[/B] The void filler was former cba journeymen pete myers and rookie kukoc.[/QUOTE]
The void fillers were pete myers, kukoc, steve kerr, luc longley and bill wennington....all those guys stepped up when needed COLLECTIVELY. And still got good minutes from the other players....your assumption that the Bulls would have been .500 is your DOWNFALL. The only way you look to justify it is through Pippen. That's ridiculous. And yes, Horace Grant and B.J. do count as void fillers cuz they stepped up their game....Apparently Pippen is the only guy who gets to do that huh, LOL!!!!!!!
The Bulls were 20-10 (.667 winning %) with Pippen scoring 20 points or less....
16.8ppg, 8.8 rebs. 5.3 assists...2.6 steals....0.8 blocks....while being a 66% FT shooter.
Obviously, your assumption on the Bulls demise was GREATLY EXAGGERATED.
IN CASE YOU WERE WONDERING.....a .667 winning % translates to 55 wins over the course of 82 games...
[QUOTE=Lebron23]Who's a better franchise player Prime Scottie Pippen or Current Derrick Rose?[/QUOTE]
Pippen. But i think Rose showing more heart & leading ability.
[QUOTE=rodman91]You give up from Jordan to see him win mvp & dpoy? I wish Jordan never retired, so we could get 8 in a row.[/QUOTE]
Can you imagine Jordan teaming up with Barkley and Olajuwon and NOT winning a championship?? :hammerhead:
LOL Pippen fans once again forgetting who made him.
[QUOTE=bwink23]Can you imagine Jordan teaming up with Barkley and Olajuwon and NOT winning a championship?? :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
Pippen ain't jordan.