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[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]One more scum of the earth dead. That makes the world a better place. The girl's life is unlikely to be better or worse.[/QUOTE]
Really? You really think this won't have a negative effect on the daughter or the parent's other kids? Now that's just ignorant.
[QUOTE=irondarts]Really? You really think this won't have a negative effect on the daughter or the parent's other kids? Now that's just ignorant.[/QUOTE]
She was already a runaway with a bad home life. As Blaze pointed out she's been out of the house for a year. Them killing her pimp and going to prison will likely have little impact on her already ****ed life. Even if so.... it may make her life worse (not sure how if she wasn't a dependent) but it may save many girls from this lifestyle.
[QUOTE=irondarts]I'm sure the daughter is really going to be able to turn her life around now that her parents will be in jail for the rest of their lives.....parents are going to regret this shit forever. What happens to all of their kids now? They just screwed up their whole family more than they helped it.[/QUOTE]
i don't think they will be in jail for life. 15-20 for the guy who will get out in about 7. And the mom will probably get like 10 and do 2.
[QUOTE=YAWN]fear is a powerful tool. ask the american government.[/QUOTE]
:applause: . Apparently being intimidated into something is now considered free will :oldlol: . So when mobsters would go and extort shop owners for "protection money" it's free will of the shop owners! Nevermind the fact that if they don't do it... they will get their shop torched, blown up or shot up.
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]She was already a runaway with a bad home life. As Blaze pointed out she's been out of the house for a year. Them killing her pimp and going to prison will likely have little impact on her already ****ed life. Even if so.... it may make her life worse (not sure how if she wasn't a dependent) but it may save many girls from this lifestyle.[/QUOTE]
What about guilt? What about her feeling like her siblings have no parents in their lives due to her choices?
I doubt anybody is going to be saved from this story, there's probably another pimp on the same corner right now.
This is just a shitty situation from all angles, but the parent's weren't right in killing the pimp, because I'm sure there's another pimp taking over. It's like drug dealers, one dies or goes to jail, another one is on the same corner the next day.
[QUOTE=YAWN]i don't think they will be in jail for life. 15-20 for the guy who will get out in about 7. And the mom will probably get like 10 and do 2.[/QUOTE]
Another fact. Given the circumstances... I'm sure they will serve less than half time for good behavior.
[QUOTE=irondarts]What about guilt? What about her feeling like her siblings have no parents in their lives due to her choices?
I doubt anybody is going to be saved from this story, there's probably another pimp on the same corner right now.
This is just a shitty situation from all angles, but the parent's weren't right in killing the pimp, because I'm sure there's another pimp taking over. It's like drug dealers, one dies or goes to jail, another one is on the same corner the next day.[/QUOTE]
Of course there are other pimps dude. That's common sense that there is always a new criminal stepping into the role of the ones you arrest/kill. Doesn't mean you can't have an impact taking one scumbag off the streets. Otherwise you're basically saying there is no point in enforcing laws or arresting people because it will keep happening anyways :confusedshrug: .
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]One more scum of the earth dead. That makes the world a better place. The girl's life is unlikely to be better or worse.[/QUOTE]
Life isn't as black and white as you make it seem. It would be wonderful living life in that fashion because it will make things simple, but it's a lie. You don't know the whole back story of this girl, what lead her to this direction, what lead the pimp to this direction. For all we know, the parents could have been abusive (not physical, but emotional or psychological), and the girl would rather live on the streets than live with them. Yes, what the pimp did was wrong, but how about we find out his story? Oh, I'm sorry, he's dead and you believe he deserved it. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Of course there are other pimps dude. That's common sense that there is always a new criminal stepping into the role of the ones you arrest/kill. Doesn't mean you can't have an impact taking one scumbag off the streets. Otherwise you're basically saying there is no point in enforcing laws or arresting people because it will keep happening anyways :confusedshrug: .[/QUOTE]
But I was replying to the fact that you said that some girls may be saved by this story, that's doubtful, the same vulnerable girls will be taken adantage by pimps, I really don't think this story will change anything.
Again, this whole situation is very sad and pointless to me. The parent's will now live to regret this decision, and they didn't really help they're daughter in any way, and they hurt their other children. So now one pimp's dead? OK, his replacement is now taking over. Big deal. Nothing changes, one face is taken over by another. Two parents are in jail, and there's kid's without parents for a good chunk of time.
[QUOTE=irondarts]It's like drug dealers, one dies or goes to jail, another one is on the same corner the next day.[/QUOTE]
I would think most of these guys have some sort of code about not messing with minors, but I guess thats too much to ask.
[QUOTE=BoogieWoogieMan]Life isn't as black and white as you make it seem. It would be wonderful living life in that fashion because it will make things simple, but it's a lie. You don't know the whole back story of this girl, what lead her to this direction, what lead the pimp to this direction. For all we know, the parents could have been abusive (not physical, but emotional or psychological), and the girl would rather live on the streets than live with them. Yes, what the pimp did was wrong, but how about we find out his story? Oh, I'm sorry, he's dead and you believe he deserved it. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
All I need to know is statistics in this case. Combine that with my experience in this stuff and it's no surprise I have strong opinions. Very few minors volunteer for prostitution. It's almost always forced prostitution and you guys want me to look at the other side of the coin and go with the possible 10 percent chance that she volunteered and should be held accountable?
I'm okay with holding the parents accountable because had they raised her better it almost certainly wouldn't have happened. To blame the girl though for ignorance, lack of education, being mentally fragile and vulnerable???
90 percent of prostitutes were physically abused at home and 74 percent were sexually abused, so obviously she was probably abused. Which is why I've said multiple times some blame on parents is justified.
[QUOTE=YAWN]I would think most of these guys have some sort of code about not messing with minors, but I guess thats too much to ask.[/QUOTE]
Pimps? Doubtful, minors are probably the most vulnerable and easy to lure into the lifestyle. It's sick but true.
[QUOTE=BoogieWoogieMan]Yes, what the pimp did was wrong, but how about we find out his story? Oh, I'm sorry, he's dead and you believe he deserved it. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Are you serious? There is absolutely nothing that could justify pimping out minors for sex. MINORS BoogieWoogieMan, MINORS!
[QUOTE=YAWN]I would think most of these guys have some sort of code about not messing with minors, but I guess thats too much to ask.[/QUOTE]
It's sick. In countries like Pakistan they have 10 year old prostitutes.
BTW, CF86, I agree that it's good to have scum like this off the street (but there's lots more), but I don't think the parent's accomplished anything positive for their daughter (and other children) by executing some vigilante justice.