Mike Tyson vs Muhammad Ali

[QUOTE=Godzuki]its clear Tyson had no discipline after he left Rooney. his RL went to shit too. it seemed to me like he tried way harder to act/look tougher without the behind the scenes work at that point. there is no way the latter Tyson against the big names was anything close to the early Tyson, and most people remember him for the latter years, like i said the ear biting, face tattooed crap.[/QUOTE]
A lot of things contributed to the fall of Mike Tyson. Leaving Rooney, Jim Jacobs dying, Robin Givens fiasco, Don King (self explanatory). He lost what made him great and basically became a head hunter looking to throw one punch at a time. He lost his Cus D'amato peek-a-boo style that made him a great technical boxer, he lost his defense too which was a huge part of his game. You couldn't hit a young Mike Tyson. He also lost his passion.

Before the Douglas fight Tyson hadn't fought in a year and needed to shed 30 pounds. And apparently he barely even trained and stayed up until 5 am partying the night before the fight. Yeah these things are his fault, but a focused and ready Iron Mike would have put Douglas to sleep early. And when he fought Holyfield the first time he looked like a shell of his former self. He looked slow and fat lol.

Someone needs to find the numerous threads/posts thoroughly debunking Tyson's so-called "all time greatness" and just call it a day after that. One of the most overrated athletes of all time.

[QUOTE=Godzuki]its clear Tyson had no discipline after he left Rooney. his RL went to shit too.[/QUOTE]

Wrong. People keep saying stuff like this. Rooney was not the only instrumental figure in Tyson life. Tyson had Cus and a team of people who took care of him. Jimmy Jacobs, Bill Clayton. Once Cus died, then Jimmy things went downhill because Don King snatched him up. And Mike got involved with ROBBING Givens another person that factored into his downward spiral. Rooney was a good trainer, but his influence outside of the ring was minimal.

Mike Tyson's best win was againts a past his prime Larry Holmes. Holmes had some solid wins after Tyson beat him.

ali with prep, tyson without.


yeah i've had too much of comic book matches

[QUOTE]Details: You learned discipline

[QUOTE=Heilige][url]http://grind365.com/sports/mike-tysons-details-interview/[/url][/QUOTE]
Wow, great interview thanks. Mike's gotta be like the realest guy ever. God bless him.

Mike even states in that interview above that Ali was the meanest fighter of all time.


He also says there is "no f*cking way that he could beat Ali in a fight:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF17mkqyf44[/url]
Starts talking about Ali @ the 3:05 mark, Mike is on the brink of tearing up at one point.


And this is the best Ali video on Youtube imo, actually one of my favorite Youtube videos period:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vnzofi_QltI[/url]

just randomly found that amazing tyson interview and the links. too bad rep is down-- you guys deserve it.


so, prime ali was 6'3"... cosell standing in for 5'11" iron mike.
[img]http://img.izismile.com/img/img6/20130924/1000/daily_gifdump_461_18.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Except Buster Douglas :oldlol:

Ali would beat him before they even got to the ring. Ali was a master at mind games and Tyson was a mental midget. Ali too tall, too skilled, too smart, too tough for Tyson. Mike never did well when he stepped up in class and wasn't harrassing tomato cans. Look what the massive underdog and way past it Holyfield did to him. It'd look a lot like Lewis-Tyson, at any point of Tyson's career.[/QUOTE]


mentally, he was already off his prime for the buster douglas fight. his mind was elsewhere.

Ali is better but Tyson is being seriously disrespected in some of these posts. Tyson made his opponents look like scrubs, which is why a lot of people think he fought scrubs. Razor Ruddock is a scrub? Berbick is a scrub? Spinks was old? He was 31 :coleman: I'm talking about 1986 Tyson. Not 2002 when he trained for 2 days to fight Lewis for cocaine money :roll:

Ali had a lot mentally on his plate as well during some
Of his fights. And you know what? He didn't get knocked out.

[QUOTE=lefthook00]Mike even states in that interview above that Ali was the meanest fighter of all time.


He also says there is "no f*cking way that he could beat Ali in a fight:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF17mkqyf44[/url]
Starts talking about Ali @ the 3:05 mark, Mike is on the brink of tearing up at one point.[/QUOTE]

Doesnt matter what Mike Tyson says. In his prime he wouldn't think this way. Tyson today just showing Ali respect. You cant take anything from what Mike says.

Tyson broke down his opponents and dominated them like no fighter I have ever seen. I don't think we'll ever see another Mike Tyson ...that level of domination was crazy. He showed up, murdered his opponent, and left. It's a toss up who would win prime vs. prime. Ali had the flash , skills, and heart. But Tysons combination of hunger, speed, and raw power when he was in his late teens was unstoppable

[QUOTE=kNicKz]Tyson broke down his opponents and dominated them like no fighter I have ever seen. I don't think we'll ever see another Mike Tyson ...that level of domination was crazy. He showed up, murdered his opponent, and left. It's a toss up who would win prime vs. prime. Ali had the flash , skills, and heart. But Tysons combination of hunger, speed, and raw power when he was in his late teens was unstoppable[/QUOTE]

Ali could go 15 rounds. Could Tyson?