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People voting Zeke over Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, KG, Pettit, and Baylor?
:roll:
How can you even take Isiah over David Robinson?
21 PPG | 11 RPB | 3 APG | 3 BPG | 51% FG
1 MVP - Defensive Player of the year - 2 rings
Zeke?
19 PPG | 4 RPG | 9 APG | 2 SPG | 45% FG
1 FMVP - 2 rings
I've seen it all on ISH.
Kevin Garnett
Dirk
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Is it true that Mikan played in the Playoffs with a broken leg? That's what I've heard from Abe, don't know if t's true or not.[/QUOTE]
not sure...I did some research, and many noted that he scored 32 points with a broken leg in the 51 playoffs, which corresponds to this game:
[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/195104030ROC.html[/url]
I went into the archives and could find no record of him breaking his leg, though he did hurt his ankle in this game:
[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/195103170TRI.html[/url]
here are some quotes:
[QUOTE=03/19/51 - New York Times]Mikan was hampered by an ankle injury but his 14 points raised his season's total to a new high of 1,932 and a record 28.4-per-game average.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=03/22/51 - Chicago Daily Tribune]Even on an injured ankle George Mikan got 41 points tonight as the Minneapolis Lakers won their opening game in the National Basketball association playoffs.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=03/24/51 - Daily Boston Globe]Mikan, limping slightly from an ankle injury, left the game after 15 minutes.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=03/25/51 - Daily Boston Globe]Mikan's sore ankle, however, may cost the Minneapolis Lakers their fourth straight playoff title and the National Basket Ball Association championship, with $50,000 in prize money at stake.
He suffered the injury against Tri-Cities last Saturday and it has not responded to treatment. It did not bother him in the playoff opener against the Indianapolis Olympians Wednesday as he scored 41 points in leading the Lakers to victory. It was a different story last nigt.
Bespectacled George limped up and down the big court at the Butler Field house for 15 minutes and wound up with one field goal before he was replaced by Vern Mikkelsen.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=04/01/51 - New York Times]Crippled George Mikan, whose injured ankle seems to be getting worse, played all but sixty seconds tonight and was definitely off.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=04/04/51 - Daily Boston Globe]George Mikan, the Lakers injury-hobbled star, canned 32 points before he fouled out with one minute and 20 seconds left.[/QUOTE]
so take that for what it's worth; either way, I don't think Abe made this one up
I guess there are three possibilities:
(1) there were two separate injuries, but the leg injury wasn't reported until some time later
(2) there was only an ankle injury, and eventually through rumors, storytelling, etc. it became a broken leg
(3) he shattered everything in his leg in one devastating injury, ankle and otherwise
no clue what to think, but I'd imagine we need a local paper from Minneapolis to tell us more (the game was actually played in Illinois, but the Chicago Tribune didn't mention the injury in the game report
[QUOTE=fsvr54]Accomplishments: Isaiah
Skill: It's debateable. What did Barkley do better than Isaiah other than rebound (since he was a PF)?[/QUOTE]
Uh, score?
Barkley has [B]5 seasons[/B] where he averaged more than [B]25 points per game.[/B] Of those 5 seasons, only [U]1[/U] of them featured Barkley averaging under 4 assists per game.
Isiah's highest PPG season average was 23.
In fact, forget about statistics. If you watched basketball both players play, you'd know Zeke was never the scorer that Chuck was. So to say all Barkley did better than Zeke was rebound is, to put it elegantly, dumb as ****.
And, for you to imply the reasoning behind his rebounding prowless was because "he was a PF" show's your lack of eptitude for the game's history. There were [I]guards[/I] taller than Charles Barkley, yet the man would collect 14, 15, sometimes 20 rebounds in a game like he was 7'0.
Shame on you.
Karl malone
Kevin Garnett
....................Barkley.......Malone.......Garnett......Robinson.......
MVP..................1...............2...............1.................1............
FMVP................0...............0................0................0.............
CHAMP..............0...............0...............1.................2.............
ROTY...............No.............No..............No..............Yes...........
DPOY................0...............0...............1.................1.............
1st All-NBA........5..............11..............4.................4.............
1st All-Def.........0...............3...............9.................4.............
All-Star............11.............14..............14...............10............
All-Star MVP......1...............2...............1.................0.............
POTM...............4...............7................9................4.............
PPG................22.1..........25.0...........19.3............21.1..........
RPG................11.7..........10.1...........10.6............10.6.........
APG.................3.9............3.5..............4.0.............2.5..........
BPG.................0.8............0.8..............1.5.............3.0..........
SPG.................1.5............1.4..............1.3.............1.4..........
PER Rating......24.6..........23.9............23.3............26.2.........
Thats about it... this is extremly close, but i am gona go with KARL MALONE...
[B]Barkley by Far: Top 10 Player Statistically
Barkley Top 10 All Time in EFF
Barkley Top 10 All Time in PER (Season)
Barlley Top 8 All Time in WS Per 48 Minutes
Barkley Top 9 All Time in PER (Play-Offs)
Barkley Top 5 All Time in Plus/Minus (+/-)
Bakley Top 4 All Time in Shot Made/Missed Diferential[/B]
[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]Barkley by Far: Top 10 Player Statistically
Barkley Top 10 All Time in EFF
Barkley Top 10 All Time in PER (Season)
Barlley Top 8 All Time in WS Per 48 Minutes
Barkley Top 9 All Time in PER (Play-Offs)
Barkley Top 5 All Time in Plus/Minus (+/-)
Bakley Top 4 All Time in Shot Made/Missed Diferential[/B][/QUOTE]
Cherry picking at it's finest.
And I'm glad that we're not judging players just based on stats.
[QUOTE=pauk]....................Barkley.......Malone.......Garnett......Robinson.......
MVP..................1...............2...............1.................1............
FMVP................0...............0................0................0.............
CHAMP..............0...............0...............1.................1.............
ROTY...............No.............No..............No..............Yes...........
DPOY................0...............0...............1.................1.............
1st All-NBA........5..............11..............4.................4.............
1st All-Def.........0...............3...............9.................4.............
All-Star............11.............14..............14...............10............
All-Star MVP......1...............2...............1.................0.............
POTM...............4...............7................9................4.............
PPG................22.1..........25.0...........19.3............21.1..........
RPG................11.7..........10.1...........10.6............10.6.........
APG.................3.9............3.5..............4.0.............2.5..........
BPG.................0.8............0.8..............1.5.............3.0..........
SPG.................1.5............1.4..............1.3.............1.4..........
PER Rating......24.6..........23.9............23.3............26.2.........
Thats about it... this is extremly close, but i am gona go with KARL MALONE...[/QUOTE]
I know this is picking nits, but it still bugs me. It's still not real fair to use POTM in this case because they didn't start giving it to a player from each conference until the 2001-2002 season. That coincides with basically all of Garnett's prime and none of the other three players primes.
[QUOTE=pauk]....................Barkley.......Malone.......Garnett......Robinson.......
MVP..................1...............2...............1.................1............
FMVP................0...............0................0................0.............
CHAMP..............0...............0...............1.................1.............
ROTY...............No.............No..............No..............Yes...........
DPOY................0...............0...............1.................1.............
1st All-NBA........5..............11..............4.................4.............
1st All-Def.........0...............3...............9.................4.............
All-Star............11.............14..............14...............10............
All-Star MVP......1...............2...............1.................0.............
POTM...............4...............7................9................4.............
PPG................22.1..........25.0...........19.3............21.1..........
RPG................11.7..........10.1...........10.6............10.6.........
APG.................3.9............3.5..............4.0.............2.5..........
BPG.................0.8............0.8..............1.5.............3.0..........
SPG.................1.5............1.4..............1.3.............1.4..........
PER Rating......24.6..........23.9............23.3............26.2.........
Thats about it... this is extremly close, but i am gona go with KARL MALONE...[/QUOTE]
what's 'CHAMP'? if that's rings, the Admiral should have two
don't include PER and POTM
Pippen
[QUOTE=millwad]Cherry picking at it's finest.
And I'm glad that we're not judging players just based on stats.[/QUOTE]
[B]These are not "Just Stats"...This is Broken Down Stats...Who Tell Us The Truth of Real Production Per Game, Efficiency and Dominance. Its Not What We Like or Wan`t. Its Closest to the Truth of a Players Real Level.[/B]
[QUOTE=fpliii]what's 'CHAMP'? if that's rings, the Admiral should have two
don't include PER and POTM[/QUOTE]
[B]Rings as a 2nd Option. David Robinsons Post Season PER is Lower Than His Season PER.[/B]