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[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]Ring Crap Again...:rolleyes: :facepalm
Then Russell > Jordan Right? :confusedshrug: :no:
Watch the Games and See Who is More Dominant. Barkley is the Most Dominant PF Ever[/B][/QUOTE]
[B]No, Jordan >>> Than Russell. I Just Can't Put A Player In My Top 10 Who Has Zero Rings.[/B]
[QUOTE=iDunk]Moses Malone before Karl Malone? WTF.[/QUOTE]
Not sure if serious..
If you are, :facepalm but if you're not, :oldlol: good one.
Elgin Baylor
Zeke
Sir Charles
Barkley>Malone and Dirk
A single championship difference between Dirk and Barkley is not enough to forget all the failures Dirk had with stacked teams. If a championship was enough to put him above Barkley and Malone, then what the heck are Bird and Wilt doing above Kobe, Shaq, and Duncan? Why isn't Bill Russell [B]at least[/B] top 2 and Lebron almost top 10?? Then championships should help Robert Horry jump to at least top 50, right?
Championships are a great accomplishment that should be considered, but so are longevity, consistency, level of competition, rules and pace, skill-set and productivity, athleticism, health, and I would say that three other things should be considered in these type of evaluations: team-chemistry, character, and development or growth.
Because team-chemistry defines how a player was a factor not only during games statistically, but also how he exemplified leadership and promoted a winning mentality to others. Character defines the type of professional that a player strives to be, the type of effort a player gives on and off the court, almost like a visual measurement of a player's competitiveness. If a player fulfilled his potential, exceeded the expectations, and made the most out any situation in his career, then he grew into the best player he could possibly become, and that not only shows character, but straight up "love" for the game.
[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7BmIVHdl3o"]Gotta give it to Zeke, the greatest little man.[/URL]
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Rick Barry won a title with role players(14ppg rookie Wilkes as #2) and nobody gives a damn.[/QUOTE]
Rick Barry
this list is losing cred with every guy thats voted ahead of Elgin Baylor and Bob Cousy from now on
baylor = 27/13/4 career average
Honors
1956-57 NCAA AP All-America (2nd)
1957-58 NCAA AP All-America (1st)
1958-59 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1959-60 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1960-61 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1961-62 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1962-63 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1963-64 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1964-65 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1966-67 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1967-68 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1968-69 NBA All-NBA (1st)
All-Star Games
1959 NBA
1960 NBA
1961 NBA
1962 NBA
1963 NBA
1964 NBA
1965 NBA
1967 NBA
1968 NBA
1969 NBA
1970 NBA
7 NBA finals
Bob Cousy
18/5/8 career average
Honors
1947-48 NCAA AP All-America (3rd)
1948-49 NCAA AP All-America (2nd)
1949-50 NCAA AP All-America (1st)
1951-52 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1952-53 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1953-54 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1954-55 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1955-56 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1956-57 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1957-58 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1958-59 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1959-60 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1960-61 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1961-62 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
1962-63 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
All-Star Games
1951 NBA
1952 NBA
1953 NBA
1954 NBA
1955 NBA
1956 NBA
1957 NBA
1958 NBA
1959 NBA
1960 NBA
1961 NBA
1962 NBA
1963 NBA
Awards
1953-54 NBA All-Star Game MVP
1956-57 NBA All-Star Game MVP
1956-57 NBA MVP
Championships
(Minimum 1 playoff game)
1957 Boston Celtics (NBA)
1959 Boston Celtics (NBA)
1960 Boston Celtics (NBA)
1961 Boston Celtics (NBA)
1962 Boston Celtics (NBA)
1963 Boston Celtics (NBA)
[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]this list is losing cred with every guy thats voted ahead of Elgin Baylor and Bob Cousy from now on
baylor = 27/13/4 career average
Honors
1956-57 NCAA AP All-America (2nd)
1957-58 NCAA AP All-America (1st)
1958-59 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1959-60 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1960-61 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1961-62 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1962-63 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1963-64 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1964-65 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1966-67 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1967-68 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1968-69 NBA All-NBA (1st)
All-Star Games
1959 NBA
1960 NBA
1961 NBA
1962 NBA
1963 NBA
1964 NBA
1965 NBA
1967 NBA
1968 NBA
1969 NBA
1970 NBA
7 NBA finals
Bob Cousy
18/5/8 career average
Honors
1947-48 NCAA AP All-America (3rd)
1948-49 NCAA AP All-America (2nd)
1949-50 NCAA AP All-America (1st)
1951-52 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1952-53 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1953-54 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1954-55 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1955-56 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1956-57 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1957-58 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1958-59 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1959-60 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1960-61 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1961-62 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
1962-63 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
All-Star Games
1951 NBA
1952 NBA
1953 NBA
1954 NBA
1955 NBA
1956 NBA
1957 NBA
1958 NBA
1959 NBA
1960 NBA
1961 NBA
1962 NBA
1963 NBA
Awards
1953-54 NBA All-Star Game MVP
1956-57 NBA All-Star Game MVP
1956-57 NBA MVP
Championships
(Minimum 1 playoff game)
1957 Boston Celtics (NBA)
1959 Boston Celtics (NBA)
1960 Boston Celtics (NBA)
1961 Boston Celtics (NBA)
1962 Boston Celtics (NBA)
1963 Boston Celtics (NBA)[/QUOTE]
griff - where do you rank the 11 guys on the 35th anniversary team?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_35th_Anniversary_Team
[QUOTE=fpliii]griff - where do you rank the 11 guys on the 35th anniversary team?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_35th_Anniversary_Team[/QUOTE]
C Kareem Abdul-Jabbar ( arguable goat )
F Elgin Baylor ( top 13-15 )
C Wilt Chamberlain ( realistically top 5-6 )
G Bob Cousy ( top 15-20 )
F Julius Erving ( top 14-15 )
G/F John Havlicek ( top 20 )
C George Mikan ( top 25 )
F Bob Pettit ( top 20 )
G Oscar Robertson ( top 11-13 )
C Bill Russell ( arguable goat )
G Jerry West ( top 11-12 )
I like KG and his one of my favorite player but putting him over Karl Malone, Barkley and David Robinson.. :facepalm
I vote for The Mailman
[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]C Kareem Abdul-Jabbar ( arguable goat )
F Elgin Baylor ( top 13-15 )
C Wilt Chamberlain ( realistically top 5-6 )
G Bob Cousy ( top 15-20 )
F Julius Erving ( top 14-15 )
G/F John Havlicek ( top 20 )
C George Mikan ( top 25 )
F Bob Pettit ( top 20 )
G Oscar Robertson ( top 11-13 )
C Bill Russell ( arguable goat )
G Jerry West ( top 11-12 )[/QUOTE]
griff - someone on ESPN called you out
I don't post there anymore, but it looks like he/she is challenging your manhood
here's the link:
[url]http://espn.go.com/nba/forum#!/topic/1346381902-360-450[/url]
Charles Barkley
Baylor