Wilt averaging 50 points wasn't that impressive after all...

[QUOTE=7_cody]I really liked what you brought to this thread so far -- you even changed my perspective a bit on the "history of the game and its greatness back in the 60s"

[B]however, to be fair, you're not really rebutting anything BlueandGold said. All of it is false just because you said so? Any proof? Looks to me like he made have made three very valid points, which I haven't researched or clarified, but have you?[/B][/QUOTE]

I recommend that you, if you are truly a fan of the history of the game like myself. Anyways I wouldn't bother wasting any more text on willc, looks like he's out of trolling material already.

BTW Cavs what argument have to offer on the points i just made?

[QUOTE=Raz]Are you mentally deficient? There are more today because there are more teams. Do your research, kid.[/QUOTE]

I never said otherwise -- a smaller league is also advantageous for individual performance and success

I don't care enough to do the research and exactly what percentage of 7 footers existed back then compared to today -- most of us, well most of us should know that it's obviously a much higher percentage today

[QUOTE=7_cody]I really liked what you brought to this thread so far -- you even changed my perspective a bit on the "history of the game and its greatness back in the 60s"

however, to be fair, you're not really rebutting anything BlueandGold said. All of it is false just because you said so? Any proof? Looks to me like he made have made three very valid points, which I haven't researched or clarified, but have you?[/QUOTE]

Fine, just for you, I will point out why each of BlueandGold's points is invalid...

[QUOTE=BlueandGold]Take into consideration:

- # of teams in the league at that point was a 1/3rd of what it is now, ABA also existed to take away talent from the NBA[/quote]

If anything, playing against just 9 teams made life harder for Wilt; instead of beating up on the likes of the Bobcats, he had to face the 8 best opposing centers in the league game-after-game.

Meanwhile, the ABA didn't exist in 1961-62 :facepalm

[quote]- # of playoff games needed to win a championship was much lower as well (factoring in championships)[/quote]

What has that got to do with Wilt averaging 50ppg in the regular season? :facepalm

[quote]-# of possessions per game and pace was MUCH higher during the 60s/70s. There's a great possessions/drating chart that's been floating around that shows that the pace was the highest in the 60s, 70s and 80s, lowest in the late 90s and 00s. [/quote]

That is true.

Wilt averaged 50.4ppg that season. Second place? Walt Bellamy with 31.6ppg. [b]The pace is irrelevant[/b]; nobody has ever won the scoring title by such a huge margin.

[quote]- Average height/wingspan of your average player was much smaller, also mentioned earlier the talent pool was diluted due to ABA sapping talent away from the league. Hell even the Harlem Globetrotters took Wilt before Philly was able to secure him.[/QUOTE]

The wingspan comment isn't true; the average height of centers back then was the same as it is now. I've already pointed out that players were measured bare-footed back then.

And, as I've already said, the ABA didn't exist in 1961-62.

:facepalm

So there you have it, 7_cody. I hope that proves that everything BlueandGold said was a load of crap.

I think if you gave Wilt a year to train/adjust to the modern game though he'd be the best player in the game today (yes above LeBron) even at "only" 26-28 ppg/11-12 rpg.

[QUOTE=b1imtf]How the **** does he average 48.5 minutes?[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=WillC][B]*you're[/B]

Everything you said in your post at the bottom of page 2 was incorrect, so yes, it was a load of crap.

Like I said, it's a shame you can't respect the League's history, instead of trying to belittle it.[/QUOTE]

[quote=Willc]Those who don't respect the League's history are those of a certain age (i.e. school kids).

However, there's some good news: In 10 years time, when LeBron is retired, there will be some new kids on ISH who will try to tell people that LeBron was overrated. People like BlueandGold and his cronies will suddenly find themselves in our shoes; they will defend LeBron rationally and, all of sudden, it'll dawn on them that the League's history should be respected.

Only then will BlueandGold and his fellow teenagers have an appreciation of Wilt Chamberlain and other superstars of yesteryear.

In the meantime, it's like banging our heads against a brick wall.

They just don't get it.

But they will get it one day.[/quote]

lol I see Willc has clamed down?

Where does such a dramatic turn come from when he turns from this type of post ^ to the post he just made :oldlol:

[QUOTE=7_cody]From what I've seen watching footage and classic games of the very, very early games I was not impressed by the level of athleticism and skill. [/QUOTE]

You need to look more closely. Sure, you won't have seen Iverson-esque crossovers in the 1960s. You won't see (many) alley-oops. You won't see (many) behind the back passes.

But what you will see is incredible team play. You'll see Bill Russell playing the high-post pivot better than anyone in history. You'll see Bob Cousy knowing [i]exactly[/i] where each of his teammates prefers to receive the ball. You'll see Wilt Chamberlain and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar scoring in more ways than Dwight Howard can even dream of. You'll see Oscar Robertson mastering the art of backing down his man and scoring with the most beautiful jump shot you will ever see.

If that's not skill, then I don't know what is.

(By the way, you seem intelligent enough to take on board everything I am saying, so I hope I'm not wasting my time here)

Well looks like I'm going to watch some more Wilt footage. Maybe I was wrong about him.

Before anyone bashes me -- I have great basketball knowledge, but I've admitted that I'm weak on the very very early history of the NBA

Not many people would admit this

[QUOTE=WillC]Wilt averaged 50.4ppg that season. Second place? Walt Bellamy with 31.6ppg. [b]The pace is irrelevant[/b]; nobody has ever won the scoring title by such a huge margin.[/QUOTE]

Just to clarify, wasn't that the last year that a scoring title was determined by Total Points, not Points Per Game ?

I know I've read that it used to be the case to determine a scoring title. Unless, this isn't true.

For what matters, Wilt still led the league in scoring by a huge margin

[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]Just to clarify, wasn't that the last year that a scoring title was determined by Total Points, not Points Per Game ?

I know I've read that it used to be the case to determine a scoring title. Unless, this isn't true.[/QUOTE]

I would need to look that up. But that doesn't change things; Walt Bellamy had the second highest points per game average that season.

And it was nearly 20ppg less than Wilt's.

[QUOTE=7_cody]Well looks like I'm going to watch some more Wilt footage. Maybe I was wrong about him.[/QUOTE]

There are some incredible videos floating around on this forum. You'll be amazed by his arsenal.

I think it's safe to say that I just won this argument, so I'm logging off.

Hopefully a few people will learn to respect the history of the game a bit more after reading this thread.

[QUOTE=WillC]I would need to look that up. But that doesn't change things; Walt Bellamy had the second highest points per game average that season.

And it was nearly 20ppg less than Wilt's.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I just edited my post.

[QUOTE=WillC]You need to look more closely. Sure, you won't have seen Iverson-esque crossovers in the 1960s. You won't see (many) alley-oops. You won't see (many) behind the back passes.

But what you will see is incredible team play. You'll see Bill Russell playing the high-post pivot better than anyone in history. You'll see Bob Cousy knowing [i]exactly[/i] where each of his teammates prefers to receive the ball. You'll see Wilt Chamberlain and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar scoring in more ways than Dwight Howard can even dream of. You'll see Oscar Robertson mastering the art of backing down his man and scoring with the most beautiful jump shot you will ever see.

If that's not skill, then I don't know what is.

(By the way, you seem intelligent enough to take on board everything I am saying, so I hope I'm not wasting my time here)[/QUOTE]

Actually the ball and off ball movement is really the only thing that has impressed me. I was always disgusted at the hunchback dribbling and refusal to go left, but now I understand that may be because of the fact that players couldn't carry back in the day.

And no you're not wasting my time -- you've already changed my perspective a bit and shown me that I'm weak in the early history of the game, so I gotta work on that

[QUOTE=7_cody][B]Well looks like I'm going to watch some more Wilt footage.[/B] Maybe I was wrong about him.

Before anyone bashes me -- I have great basketball knowledge, but I've admitted that I'm weak on the very very early history of the NBA

Not many people would admit this[/QUOTE]
Very big of you to say that - theres a starting point
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