[QUOTE=StroShow4]Who the f@ck is this clown in the skinny pants? :facepalm[/QUOTE]Are you talking about Tyga?
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[QUOTE=StroShow4]Who the f@ck is this clown in the skinny pants? :facepalm[/QUOTE]Are you talking about Tyga?
Da fk?
Tyga and Ross talking about crossovers? :facepalm
[QUOTE=JellyBean]Oh, so it was the media' fault? :oldlol: Stop it!!
Look, I
looks like ricky swallowed a basketball.......:oldlol:
[QUOTE=ripthekik]Lakers were the champions, but when you talk about the worldwide influence Iverson had, the popularity and influence he brought to youth all over the world, it can not be denied..[/QUOTE]
hmm maybe you have a biased opinion. I was never a basketball fan in the early 00's, but i sure knew who shaq and kobe were. Did not know who Iverson was until about 2007
was iverson not a very selfish player ?......... taking it to the rim himself all the time and rarely passing..........?
[QUOTE=ripthekik]Lakers were the champions, but when you talk about the worldwide influence Iverson had, the popularity and influence he brought to youth all over the world, it can not be denied..[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, but if he did bring any influence, it was only negative then. He was not a role model by any means. Dude has always wanted to be considered a thug.
[QUOTE=theaussieguy]hmm maybe you have a biased opinion. I was never a basketball fan in the early 00's, but i sure knew who shaq and kobe were. Did not know who Iverson was until about 2007[/QUOTE]
Hmm Shaq was definitely more popular worldwide, but I would think globally, Iverson would have more popularity than Kobe back in the early 2000's.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]I'm sorry, but if he did bring any influence, it was only negative then. He was not a role model by any means. Dude has always wanted to be considered a thug.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps to you, but the influence he brought wasn't only about cornrows, hip-hop baggy clothes, being a thug, and tattoos. He also showed heart, will, and how a little man can dominate a league with big men. His relentless style of play, no fear, fighting through the injuries, are certainly motivational to a huge population, who can relate more to his height than say Shaq.
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Most overrated player in the history of the NBA. What a loser
[QUOTE=STATUTORY]Iverson kept it real and didn't put up no front. In this modern age of political correctness and corporate culture, a figure like Iverson was a constant reminder of people's own cowardice and inability to just be themselves. that's why Iverson bothered so many people, his kindred spirit was a foil to their cookie cutter conformity driven existence.[/QUOTE]
Yep. This right here.
AI we miss you so much =(
How many people in this thread actually followed AI's career? Because most of these post claiming he was a victim sound like they were typed by a robot, also somebody said "Iverson was basketball in the early 90s" ok..Well he was drafted in 96 sooo
AI was one of the most popular players in the L from the moment he was drafted until about 04 dude was always a top 3 most popular player.
He had an amazing career, led a bad team to the finals, racked up multiple scoring titles, won an MVP (voted on by the media) and is a top 26 player all time IMO.
fact is though, AI was never in a position to win championships, and after awhile his "attitude" wasn't worth putting up with for a franchise that couldn't seem to build around him.
He caught a bad for his "attitude" skipping practices etc & all of this was magnified due to the fact that he hadn't won a ring.
If AI had won atleast 1 ring as the FMVP he'd be widely considered a fringe top 10 player off all time.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]Ray Allen accepted backing up Avery Bradley, a player he was arguably still better than. He didn't like it, but he did it. The reason AI should have accepted his new role should be obvious to all of you: It would have lengthened his career. Like Ray Allen, Iverson was getting old and when a player gets old they have to accept a lesser role if they want to stay in the league. It doesn't matter who they have above you in the rotation, what matters is that the team that is employing you wants you to play a certain role. If you are unwilling to play that role teams will be unwilling to employ you.[/quote]
What happened in Detroit wasnt entirely comparable to what happened with Ray Allen last season. Iverson was still a far superior player to Allen when he was sent to Detroit and could still carry a team scoring-wise. If you remember, he embraced the situation of going to another "winner" only until he figured out that Detroit had no plans to do a contract extension. The only reason Denver dealt him was because Iverson & their FO were wrangling over a contract extension.
The team fell apart the minute they let Stuckey start playing PG. Rip is the one who openly complained and ripped Michael Curry for having to come off the bench because of it. Dumars wanted Stuckey to be the focal point to justify trading Chauncey, but Stuckey wasn't ready then just like he isn't ready to now.
The only similarity is that they both lost their jobs when they got hurt. Ray Allen took a "backseat" as a reserve to Bradley because he was injured, and that injury opened up a chance for Bradley to take his job. AI injured his back and when he returned Curry had now discovered the backcourt which marked 2-3 future years of Pistons failure, Stuckey & Rip.
But its one thing to swallow your pride and take a backseat on a championship contender, while it is another to take a backseat on a 9th seed team. Of course its best to retire/quit than be associated with that failure and worst of all you're not even a major part of the team. That really isn't "adapting" to a new role. Was Iverson supposed to be some dynamic 6th Man on a contender? Why was it that only 1 team show any interest in him that offseason and it was a mediocre Grizzlies team? I do believe many NBA GM's and of course the NBA felt and still feel that Iverson had started to overshadow the "new generation" because of his popularity and the negativity to his name.
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AI was one of the most popular players in the L from the moment he was drafted until about 04 dude was always a top 3 most popular player.[/quote]
AI was one of the most popular players in the league until he stopped playing. He suddenly didn't just drop off in 2004.
He had the same effect on fans that LeBron did after the 2011 NBA Finals, except that was his career from 1998. His first 2 seasons he was still viewed in a somewhat positive light, which is why the media took his side in the whole alleged fight with Jerry Stackhouse.
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fact is though, AI was never in a position to win championships, and after awhile his "attitude" wasn't worth putting up with for a franchise that couldn't seem to build around him.
He caught a bad for his "attitude" skipping practices etc & all of this was magnified due to the fact that he hadn't won a ring.
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The problem is his "attitude" was over-exaggerated because of the "thug, I do what I wanna" persona that he had. Even when things were going down hill in Philly none of his teammates had a bad thing to say about him, his practice habits, etc. Neither did his coaches. And he really butted heads with Larry Brown and Mo Cheeks at times.
He was nowhere near as terrible of a teammate as Stephon Marbury, a guy who openly let it be known he didn't care whether they won or lost. Marbury just didn't want the media to blame him for it and he had a meltdown when they did. Also, AI doesn't even have anywhere near the negative "attitude" that Kobe still is bringing into the locker room and on the floor. Kobe's talent just backs it up at the moment.