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[QUOTE=sportjames23]Difference between Lebron and Jordan?
2 < 6
Lebron = 2 for 4
Jordan = 6 for 6[/QUOTE]
So according to you, Jordan losing in the first round is better than LeBron losing in the Finals because it doesn't go against his Finals record.
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When this is the logic going through my oppositions head I already know I won.
[QUOTE=Dionysus]Tony Montana owning this thread.:applause:
Get real people of this forum, LeBron James is simply a better player than Jordan ever was.[/QUOTE]
Don't derail the thread:no:
[QUOTE=TonyMontana]Here is the difference between LeBron and Jordan.
When Jordans Bulls lack interior defenders and rebounders, they become pretenders(As evidenced by Shaq/Horace shitting on them in 1995 when they had no great interior defenders/rebounders).
When LeBrons Heat lack interior defenders and rebounders, LeBron gets his ass in the post and starts getting 10+ boards and guarding David Wests. Because of LeBrons superior physical abilities he is more versatile and able to effect the game in more ways.
As it stands now LeBron is the only perimeter superstar in NBA History to win with a frontcourt that gets abused on a nightyly basis.
Don't even get me started on who is more valuable to their teams. :oldlol:
1993 Bulls with Jordan: [B]57-25[/B]
1994 Bulls w/o Jordan: [B]55-27[/B]
2010 Cavs with LeBron: [B]61-21[/B]
2011 Cavs w/o LeBron: [B]19- 63[/B]
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Jordan only had to be his teams go to scorer....LeBron has to be his teams go to scorer ON TOP of main playmaker/ball handler, top rebounder, top perimeter defender, top post defender. You name it and LeBron is the best on the Heat at it. And hes still racking up rings. :oldlol:
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Very interesting. But youre not looking at this objectively.
Ill grant that James is more versatile than Jordan on the defensive side of the ball. However, Jordan is just as vsrsitle on offense. And there are many areas on offense where James game is raw. He post game sucks. Jordan is considered by many to be the best non big post player ever. James midrange jumper is suspect at best. Again, Jordan is arguably the best midrange shooter as well.
I also feel Jordan is a better team player than James. Both Bosh and Wade have been forced to suppress their talents for James to thrive. Jordan adjusted his game in an effort to allow his teammates to thrive.
And while its true James has accomplished more than James at the same age, Its also true Jordan has never been credited with his team failing like James in 2011. Jordan has also never had a championship as bad as James in 07. Jordan has never lost as a favorite as well.
I also see you neglected Jordan's 84 gold medal. As well as the Bronze medal our US team had to settle for in 04 due to James inability to be like Jordan. Why?
[QUOTE=TonyMontana]So according to you, Jordan losing in the first round is better than LeBron losing in the Finals because it doesn't go against his Finals record.
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When this is the logic going through my oppositions head I already know I won.[/QUOTE]
I think people are ready to let this go. Are you?
[QUOTE=TonyMontana]
1993 Bulls with Jordan: [B]57-25[/B]
1994 Bulls w/o Jordan: [B]55-27[/B]
2010 Cavs with LeBron: [B]61-21[/B]
2011 Cavs w/o LeBron: [B]19- 63[/B]
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Most telling stat ever.
LeBron has to do it all and is far more valuable than Jordan ever was.
Only thing MJ had to do (like Kobe) is shotjack and take all the glory, while Pippen gaurded the teams best opposing player (see finals vs Magic Johnson), Rodman and company played interior defense and rebounded for the team. I swear, without the Nike push and kids buying shoes, he wouldn't even be considered the Greatest.
We are currently watching the greatest in LeBron "King" James, can I get a witness!
[QUOTE=Trollsmasher]Don't derail the thread:no:[/QUOTE]
How? By stating a realistic truth? Blow me wanker.
[QUOTE=Dionysus]Most telling stat ever.
LeBron has to do it all and is far more valuable than Jordan ever was.
Only thing MJ had to do (like Kobe) is shotjack and take all the glory, while Pippen gaurded the teams best opposing player (see finals vs Magic Johnson), Rodman and company played interior defense and rebounded for the team. I swear, without the Nike push and kids buying shoes, he wouldn't even be considered the Greatest.
We are currently watching the greatest in LeBron "King" James, can I get a witness![/QUOTE]
Then explain how the Heat can win 47 games in 10, then get James AND CHRIS BOSH and only improve to 58. The Bulls went from 55 wins in 94, got Jordan back along with Rodman and won 72 win
The difference is that Jordan is 6 for 6 in the finals. :bowdown:
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Very interesting. But youre not looking at this objectively.
Ill grant that James is more versatile than Jordan on the defensive side of the ball. However, Jordan is just as vsrsitle on offense. And there are many areas on offense where James game is raw. He post game sucks. Jordan is considered by many to be the best non big post player ever. James midrange jumper is suspect at best. Again, Jordan is arguably the best midrange shooter as well.
I also feel Jordan is a better team player than James. Both Bosh and Wade have been forced to suppress their talents for James to thrive. Jordan adjusted his game in an effort to allow his teammates to thrive.
And while its true James has accomplished more than James at the same age, Its also true Jordan has never been credited with his team failing like James in 2011. Jordan has also never had a championship as bad as James in 07. Jordan has never lost as a favorite as well.
I also see you neglected Jordan's 84 gold medal. As well as the Bronze medal our US team had to settle for in 04 due to James inability to be like Jordan. Why?[/QUOTE]
Scoring is the one area I will give to Jordan. He is the best scorer in NBA History at 30 PPG 50% shooting in the modern era. However versatality is overrated. It's all about production and I don't care how it comes, but as long as it comes. I'll take a dunk every play if I can get it.
When you compare Jordans scoring output(30 PPG on 50% shooting) to LeBrons (28 PPG on 49% shooting) they are closer than one would think. LeBrons size advantage(which translates to better rebounding and defensive ability) and the ability to make the game easier for guys more than makes up for Jordans 2 PPG and 1% shooting advantage.
Jordan is definitely not a better team player than LeBron. When he retired(the first time) BJ Armstrong, Horace Grant, and Scottie Pippen all had career years and went on to make the all-star team. Nothing he does on the court makes the game easier for guys compared to a guy like LeBron. LeBron has the best vision and passing of a guy his size since Magic Johnson. All the veteran shooters want to come to Miami because they know their going to get open looks.
And finally guys enjoy playing with LeBron. Thats not true with Jordan. The dude was a prick and although respected by his teammates I bet a lot hated him as well. Pippen, Jordans most acclaimed teammate has gone on air multiple times saying LeBron is better. That tells you something.
The success for the Bulls goes to team personnel. The team was stacked and built to dominate. Is there any question Miami wouldn't be a better team if a 6'3 declining guard with no range in Wade is switched with Pippen(for his entire prime), a 6'8 swingman who is probably the best nonbig defender in NBA History on top of being a 20 PPG scorer. How about if Bosh, a piss poor rebounder and one on one defender is switched with a guy like Rodman, who ensures his team wins the rebounding battle every night?
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Then explain how the Heat can win 47 games in 10, then get James AND CHRIS BOSH and only improve to 58.[/QUOTE]
Because the Heat only had two starters from the team that won 47 games, and one of them was Carlos Arroyo.
[QUOTE=TonyMontana]Nothing he does on the court makes the game easier for guys compared to a guy like LeBron[/QUOTE]If this was true, why did the best offensive players Jordan play with have the most efficient seasons of their career playing with Jordan? You shouldn't use this argument considering that Wade and Bosh got worse playing with Lebron. (Not saying it's his fault, just saying you can't use that argument.)
Tony, this thread is golden. You made sensible points backed by facts, and even though some of the points you made were a bit out of some people comfort zone's, no one can call it trolling, just that you came to a different conclusion than them.
I have gained respect for you, hope to see more of this in the future. :applause:
P.S: I think 2014 LeBron will have a chance at surpassing 1992 Jordan(GOAT) in terms of individual play. But i think 2013 LeBron, even though he at times showed that he could play at a GOAT level, wasn't consistent enough a shooter.
This season is where we will see if LeBron can put it all together and have a "peak/summit" year where his skill-set and athleticism are at their best balance, and he just dominates consistently.
[QUOTE=Young X]If this was true, why did the best offensive players Jordan play with have the most efficient seasons of their career playing with Jordan? You shouldn't use this argument considering that Wade and Bosh got worse playing with Lebron. (Not saying it's his fault, just saying you can't use that argument.)[/QUOTE]
Wade and Chris Bosh had their most efficient seasons this year, playing with a Prime LeBron. So stop that right there...
[QUOTE=Young X]If this was true, why did the best offensive players Jordan play with have the most efficient seasons of their career playing with Jordan? You shouldn't use this argument considering that Wade and Bosh got worse playing with Lebron. (Not saying it's his fault, just saying you can't use that argument.)[/QUOTE]
1994 Pippen: 22.0 PPG 8.7 RPG 5.6 APG 49.0% shooting
How is that not Pippens best year(the one year of his prime without Jordan).
Wade was fine in 2011 when he was still elite. Problem with him is he has just declined, nothing to do with LeBron. LeBron had one year of prime Wade as opposed to Jordan having Pippen in his best years and for nearly an entire decade.
Bosh put up big numbers as the focal point on a bad team, not impressed. In 2006 Mike James averaged 20 PPG on the Raptors team along with Bosh who put up 22.5 PPG and 9.2 RPG. That team went 27-55.
[QUOTE=Suguru101]Tony, this thread is golden. You made sensible points backed by facts, and even though some of the points you made were a bit out of some people comfort zone's, no one can call it trolling, just that you came to a different conclusion than them.
I have gained respect for you, hope to see more of this in the future. :applause:
P.S: I think 2014 LeBron will have a chance at surpassing 1992 Jordan(GOAT) in terms of individual play. But i think 2013 LeBron, even though he at times showed that he could play at a GOAT level, wasn't consistent enough a shooter.
This season is where we will see if LeBron can put it all together and have a "peak/summit" year where his skill-set and athleticism are at their best balance, and he just dominates consistently.[/QUOTE]
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Yawn.
Mods why is this thread still open? :wtf: