Vintage NBA: George Mikan

[QUOTE=SHAQisGOAT][B]If you saw pics - taken with an old camera - from Marc Gasol, Kevin Love or David Lee (like I've posted, for example), without having no idea who they were or what they could do, you would say the same though...

But keep talking (ignorant) shit for the **** of it.[/B][/QUOTE]

black and white photography actually enhances muscle definition because it accentuates shadow contrasts.

lol @ this dude actually arguing pre-integration players would have similar success in the modern league.

[QUOTE=jongib369]Personally I dont think they would be stars but would make the league...And would be very serviceable if put in right situation.


Side question, how do you think Pekovic, Laimbeer and Olynyk would do as is in the 50s and 60s?[/QUOTE]

pekovic is a monster with .74 FT with a relatively reliable jumper. 1v1 when he gets position he scores on anybody in the league right now (vs perkins, vs dwight, vs deandre, vs noah, vs gasols, etc) so imagine this dude in a world without double teaming where people are much less athletic and strong. :lol

In the no defense, no double-team, no real rim attacking 50s and 60s he would the freaking GOAT. All his defensive deficiencies (rim protection, positional defense) would be all but negated and his offensive proficiency would be maximized by the lack of height/size, double teams and zones.

Laimbeer would revolutionize the game with his shooting, he would simply shoot over alot of people as defenses wouldn't know what to do with him. His rebounding rate would probably make him one of the leaders in rebounding (up there with wilt and russell) .. see this: [url]http://doubledribble.wordpress.com/2012/09/13/nba-stars-of-1960s-pace-adjusted-stats/[/url]
So a perennial MVP candidate and dominating force.

I've not seen much of olynik so dunno bout this one.

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]That might be the f*cking worst, most nonsensical simile I've ever read.

What the f*ck do you asshats get out of degrading past players? LeBron is a choker whether or not Mikan was good. Kobe's still a chucking rapist.

It's stupid.

You're stupid.

I hope you drown in a bucket of jizz.[/QUOTE]

Sometimes grading is degrading for guys playing an inferior game. The rule of evolution. The caveman is not as intelligent as the man today.. though judging by your post there might be outliers :roll:

Anyways..you know what's ****ing worst? A faggt like you bringing NO ARGUMENT but still talking shit like I just called out his family. That's called being SHOOK bro. SHOOK.
Stay mad :lol

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from left to right: mailman, horse trainer, pornography historian and mall santa in today's era[/CENTER]

[QUOTE=swagga]Sometimes grading is degrading for guys playing an inferior game. The rule of evolution. The caveman is not as intelligent as the man today.. though judging by your post there might be outliers :roll:

Anyways..you know what's ****ing worst? A faggt like you bringing NO ARGUMENT but still talking shit like I just called out his family. That's called being SHOOK bro. SHOOK.
Stay mad :lol[/QUOTE]

You started calling people names because they said a player you've never watched would be okay. You're a moron.

Between your poor grammar and retarded logic I'm surprised you can even turn on a computer. Oh wait, you said you were 'done' in this thread and then responded multiple times. Great job.

Are you so stupid that you think the skill set of a caveman isn't better in areas than now? Tell me, how much Gortex and Cheerios did they have during the ice age to keep them alive? Yet, they survived and excelled.

You claim I have no argument, when I said, "Aaron Gray plays today." But you come in saying, "LOL OLD STUFF SUCKZ."

You think a legitimate 6'10" athlete from 60 years ago couldn't play a game where Hasheem Thabeet, Aaron Gray and Dexter Pittman play? Look out for those elite world beaters.

Evolution isn't a rule either, it's a God damned theory. The game evolved, not humanity you jag.

Please kill yourself.

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Cool picture.

[QUOTE=swagga]pekovic is a monster with .74 FT with a relatively reliable jumper. 1v1 when he gets position he scores on anybody in the league right now (vs perkins, vs dwight, vs deandre, vs noah, vs gasols, etc) so imagine this dude in a world without double teaming where people are much less athletic and strong. :lol

In the no defense, no double-team, no real rim attacking 50s and 60s he would the freaking GOAT. All his defensive deficiencies (rim protection, positional defense) would be all but negated and his offensive proficiency would be maximized by the lack of height/size, double teams and zones.

Laimbeer would revolutionize the game with his shooting, he would simply shoot over alot of people as defenses wouldn't know what to do with him. His rebounding rate would probably make him one of the leaders in rebounding (up there with wilt and russell) .. see this: [url]http://doubledribble.wordpress.com/2012/09/13/nba-stars-of-1960s-pace-adjusted-stats/[/url]
So a perennial MVP candidate and dominating force.

I've not seen much of olynik so dunno bout this one.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkD4GRGdCZI[/url]

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]You started calling people names because they said a player you've never watched would be okay. You're a moron.

Between your poor grammar and retarded logic I'm surprised you can even turn on a computer. Oh wait, you said you were 'done' in this thread and then responded multiple times. Great job.

Are you so stupid that you think the skill set of a caveman isn't better in areas than now? Tell me, how much Gortex and Cheerios did they have during the ice age to keep them alive? Yet, they survived and excelled.

You claim I have no argument, when I said, "Aaron Gray plays today." But you come in saying, "LOL OLD STUFF SUCKZ."

You think a legitimate 6'10" athlete from 60 years ago couldn't play a game where Hasheem Thabeet, Aaron Gray and Dexter Pittman play? Look out for those elite world beaters.

Evolution isn't a rule either, it's a God damned theory. The game evolved, not humanity you jag.

Please kill yourself.[/QUOTE]

look at the video jongib369 posted: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkD4GRGdCZI[/url]

That's the fukcking finals son. Any idiot can deduct that
1) the game has evolved from a tactical and managerial pov tremendously... it's not even similar anymore.
2) the athleticis&strength today >>>.....>>> the athleticism&strength back then
3) granny set shots, bad footwork, not using the left, bad time management, no catch and shoot, no post moves besides a hook shoot, not fronting the post, inexistent help defense, atrocious man defense ... the skill level from today is so far out it's not even funny... most (quasi) decent high school teams play a more advanced game than this.

There are pickup games where the level of play is higher than that in the video. No joke.

That's why I said people would be nuts to think this guy could make the league today. Aaron gray is an excellent man2man defender (i remember he was bothering dirk when he was in NOH). Aaron gray can play a set. Aaron gray is bigger and more mobile. Hell Aaron gray is the scrubbiest of scrubs.

Hasheem thabeet or dexter pittman would be running a train in that game. Imagine thabeet playing there at his length, the other team wouldn't get 50, those guys wouldn't even know how to attack a rim defender. You can check his defensive stats in the today NBA to easily understands how much he counts for defense when he is on the floor.

Dexter pittman is the scrubbiest of all those guys and if you check his size/length or watch the heat vs indy series you would understand why he did get a place in this league. Hell, his size/strength compared to what you see in the video is absolutely crazy not to mention that he can put the ball on the floor compared to those guys or that he can defend the paint, or that he really looks to box out when rebounding.

As a basketball fan if you watch that video and still pretend mikan could play any relevant ball in today's league you are nuts imo and arguing with you is pointless. After seeing this video I will retract my affirmation that this dude can in any way make the league. Dude woule be an excellent librarian today, he would not even SNIFF the league, the game is so much more advanced that you name scrubs like aaron gray/thabeet/pittmann and when you really think of it they do SO MUCH compared to back then it's not even in the same zip code.

PS : ***** you you ignorant prick. I backed up all I've said, you just named players without even taking into account what they do in todays game. You just another fagggot with ZERO understanding of the game. Go watch some blake griffin dunks or somethang:lol

[QUOTE=swagga]look at the video jongib369 posted: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkD4GRGdCZI[/url]

That's the fukcking finals son. Any idiot can deduct that
1) the game has evolved from a tactical and managerial pov tremendously... it's not even similar anymore.
2) the athleticis&strength today >>>.....>>> the athleticism&strength back then
3) granny set shots, bad footwork, not using the left, bad time management, no catch and shoot, no post moves besides a hook shoot, not fronting the post, inexistent help defense, atrocious man defense ... the skill level from today is so far out it's not even funny... most (quasi) decent high school teams play a more advanced game than this.

There are pickup games where the level of play is higher than that in the video. No joke.

That's why I said people would be nuts to think this guy could make the league today. Aaron gray is an excellent man2man defender (i remember he was bothering dirk when he was in NOH). Aaron gray can play a set. Aaron gray is bigger and more mobile. Hell Aaron gray is the scrubbiest of scrubs.

Hasheem thabeet or dexter pittman would be running a train in that game. Imagine thabeet playing there at his length, the other team wouldn't get 50, those guys wouldn't even know how to attack a rim defender. You can check his defensive stats in the today NBA to easily understands how much he counts for defense when he is on the floor.

Dexter pittman is the scrubbiest of all those guys and if you check his size/length or watch the heat vs indy series you would understand why he did get a place in this league. Hell, his size/strength compared to what you see in the video is absolutely crazy not to mention that he can put the ball on the floor compared to those guys or that he can defend the paint, or that he really looks to box out when rebounding.

As a basketball fan if you watch that video and still pretend mikan could play any relevant ball in today's league you are nuts imo and arguing with you is pointless. After seeing this video I will retract my affirmation that this dude can in any way make the league. Dude woule be an excellent librarian today, he would not even SNIFF the league, the game is so much more advanced that you name scrubs like aaron gray/thabeet/pittmann and when you really think of it they do SO MUCH compared to back then it's not even in the same zip code.

PS : ***** you you ignorant prick. I backed up all I've said, you just named players without even taking into account what they do in todays game. You just another fagggot with ZERO understanding of the game. Go watch some blake griffin dunks or somethang:lol[/QUOTE]
Thanks for your opinion, what do you think of these games? First is shorter, but the second is an all around better game...Reed and Kareem go at it

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEgynFUSJjg[/url]


[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_uAJlWP0lQ[/url]

[QUOTE=jongib369]Thanks for your opinion, what do you think of these games? First is shorter, but the second is an all around better game...Reed and Kareem go at it

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEgynFUSJjg[/url]


[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_uAJlWP0lQ[/url][/QUOTE]

[B]Why are you looking for an ignorant kid's opinion? Dude who most likely never played organized basketball in his life, who knows nothing about the game and only started to watch recently. Seriously? :facepalm [/B]

[QUOTE=SHAQisGOAT][B]Why are you looking for an ignorant kid's opinion? Dude who most likely never played organized basketball in his life, who knows nothing about the game and only started to watch recently. Seriously? :facepalm [/B][/QUOTE]
It's not that I agree with him, just like hearing other peoples opinion. Even if to some they're absurd

[QUOTE=swagga]look at the video jongib369 posted: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkD4GRGdCZI[/url]

That's the fukcking finals son. Any idiot can deduct that
1) the game has evolved from a tactical and managerial pov tremendously... it's not even similar anymore.
2) the athleticis&strength today >>>.....>>> the athleticism&strength back then
3) granny set shots, bad footwork, not using the left, bad time management, no catch and shoot, no post moves besides a hook shoot, not fronting the post, inexistent help defense, atrocious man defense ... the skill level from today is so far out it's not even funny... most (quasi) decent high school teams play a more advanced game than this.

There are pickup games where the level of play is higher than that in the video. No joke.

That's why I said people would be nuts to think this guy could make the league today. Aaron gray is an excellent man2man defender (i remember he was bothering dirk when he was in NOH). Aaron gray can play a set. Aaron gray is bigger and more mobile. Hell Aaron gray is the scrubbiest of scrubs.

Hasheem thabeet or dexter pittman would be running a train in that game. Imagine thabeet playing there at his length, the other team wouldn't get 50, those guys wouldn't even know how to attack a rim defender. You can check his defensive stats in the today NBA to easily understands how much he counts for defense when he is on the floor.

Dexter pittman is the scrubbiest of all those guys and if you check his size/length or watch the heat vs indy series you would understand why he did get a place in this league. Hell, his size/strength compared to what you see in the video is absolutely crazy not to mention that he can put the ball on the floor compared to those guys or that he can defend the paint, or that he really looks to box out when rebounding.

As a basketball fan if you watch that video and still pretend mikan could play any relevant ball in today's league you are nuts imo and arguing with you is pointless. After seeing this video I will retract my affirmation that this dude can in any way make the league. Dude woule be an excellent librarian today, he would not even SNIFF the league, the game is so much more advanced that you name scrubs like aaron gray/thabeet/pittmann and when you really think of it they do SO MUCH compared to back then it's not even in the same zip code.

PS : ***** you you ignorant prick. I backed up all I've said, you just named players without even taking into account what they do in todays game. You just another fagggot with ZERO understanding of the game. Go watch some blake griffin dunks or somethang:lol[/QUOTE]

Wow, not only do you not know the proper useage of deduce; you don't even know that deduct and deduce are different things.

You didn't back up anything. You just used conjecture to claim something.

1. I said the game evolved you moron. You're acting like someone is incapable of learning a different set of rules. How do kids learn the rules now? Oh, people tell them.

2. Athleticism and strength don't mean shit. Pau Gasol isn't a hyper athlete who's dunking on people and Durant isn't benching 300.

3. There were no granny set shots in the video. There were granny free throws, and they went in. Shaq practiced that way and was allegedly good at them but said they were stupid and he wouldn't use them. The league is lousy with bad footwork now. Jeff Green has horrible defensive footwork. LeBron and Dwight can't move in the post. A lot of players now have no left hand. Rondo takes off for layups on the wrong foot. You don't know the time management because you saw a heavily edited video. There was catch and shoot in the video. There was help defense in the video. The man defense was fine, because the game wasn't predicated on outside shots. Yeah, they clearly had zero strategy when they specifically game plan for an old, nearly retired Mikan, and literally run set plays most of the time.

YOU CAN'T SAY THAT PITTMAN WOULD TRASH PEOPLE BY PLAYING MODERN BALL IN THAT ERA. THE RULES WERE DIFFERENT. OBVIOUSLY YOU'D HAVE AN ADVANTAGE IF YOU PUT ONE GUY WITH MODERN RULES INTO THE PAST AND CALLED IT FROM A MODERN PERSPECTIVE. THAT'S THE SAME LOGICAL FALLACY OF, 'THESE OLD GUYS CAN'T PLAY BECAUSE OF HOW THEY DRIBBLE'. IF THEY LEARNED THE GAME THE SAME WAY, THEY'D PLAY THE SAME WAY.

Mikan was in his last season in the video you dumb f*ck. He made a few nice passes, timed rebound tips, and was second on his team in scoring, and they won. THEY CHANGED RULES BECAUSE OF HIM. He shit on his competition and it's patently stupid to assume he'd be a poor player with proper shoes, medicine and training.

That game had players with comparable skills, playing fast, without zones, without iso-ball, without threes, without ticky tack fouls, without whining to the refs, and guys played with significant injuries. There was a behind the back pass, there were 25 foot shots, there was ball movement. People claim the floater is the hardest shot in basketball, and these guys took 18 foot one handers that were essentially floaters. They used the f*cking backboard.

This is good basketball with slightly different rules and skills. You're showing a grandiose amount of stupidity. Stop talking nonsense and learn about the game you piece of shit.

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]Wow, not only do you not know the proper useage of deduce; you don't even know that deduct and deduce are different things.

You didn't back up anything. You just used conjecture to claim something.

1. I said the game evolved you moron. You're acting like someone is incapable of learning a different set of rules. How do kids learn the rules now? Oh, people tell them.

2. Athleticism and strength don't mean shit. Pau Gasol isn't a hyper athlete who's dunking on people and Durant isn't benching 300.

3. There were no granny set shots in the video. There were granny free throws, and they went in. Shaq practiced that way and was allegedly good at them but said they were stupid and he wouldn't use them. The league is lousy with bad footwork now. Jeff Green has horrible defensive footwork. LeBron and Dwight can't move in the post. A lot of players now have no left hand. Rondo takes off for layups on the wrong foot. You don't know the time management because you saw a heavily edited video. There was catch and shoot in the video. There was help defense in the video. The man defense was fine, because the game wasn't predicated on outside shots. Yeah, they clearly had zero strategy when they specifically game plan for an old, nearly retired Mikan, and literally run set plays most of the time.

YOU CAN'T SAY THAT PITTMAN WOULD TRASH PEOPLE BY PLAYING MODERN BALL IN THAT ERA. THE RULES WERE DIFFERENT. OBVIOUSLY YOU'D HAVE AN ADVANTAGE IF YOU PUT ONE GUY WITH MODERN RULES INTO THE PAST AND CALLED IT FROM A MODERN PERSPECTIVE. THAT'S THE SAME LOGICAL FALLACY OF, 'THESE OLD GUYS CAN'T PLAY BECAUSE OF HOW THEY DRIBBLE'. IF THEY LEARNED THE GAME THE SAME WAY, THEY'D PLAY THE SAME WAY.

Mikan was in his last season in the video you dumb f*ck. He made a few nice passes, timed rebound tips, and was second on his team in scoring, and they won. THEY CHANGED RULES BECAUSE OF HIM. He shit on his competition and it's patently stupid to assume he'd be a poor player with proper shoes, medicine and training.

That game had players with comparable skills, playing fast, without zones, without iso-ball, without threes, without ticky tack fouls, without whining to the refs, and guys played with significant injuries. There was a behind the back pass, there were 25 foot shots, there was ball movement. People claim the floater is the hardest shot in basketball, and these guys took 18 foot one handers that were essentially floaters. They used the f*cking backboard.

This is good basketball with slightly different rules and skills. You're showing a grandiose amount of stupidity. Stop talking nonsense and learn about the game you piece of shit.[/QUOTE]
:applause: wow that is enough ether to kill 10 men :oldlol:

[QUOTE=jongib369]It's not that I agree with him, just like hearing other peoples opinion. Even if to some they're absurd[/QUOTE]

[B]I like to hear different opinions only when a certain person knows what he's talking about and when they're objective, not just saying stuff for the **** of it, or hating. This is a hyperbole - and yet again maybe not :lol - but I wouldn't go around asking nuclear physics to a grade school kid, who finds everything funny, let's say.[/B]

[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]Wow, not only do you not know the proper useage of deduce; you don't even know that deduct and deduce are different things.

You didn't back up anything. You just used conjecture to claim something.

1. I said the game evolved you moron. You're acting like someone is incapable of learning a different set of rules. How do kids learn the rules now? Oh, people tell them.

2. Athleticism and strength don't mean shit. Pau Gasol isn't a hyper athlete who's dunking on people and Durant isn't benching 300.

3. There were no granny set shots in the video. There were granny free throws, and they went in. Shaq practiced that way and was allegedly good at them but said they were stupid and he wouldn't use them. The league is lousy with bad footwork now. Jeff Green has horrible defensive footwork. LeBron and Dwight can't move in the post. A lot of players now have no left hand. Rondo takes off for layups on the wrong foot. You don't know the time management because you saw a heavily edited video. There was catch and shoot in the video. There was help defense in the video. The man defense was fine, because the game wasn't predicated on outside shots. Yeah, they clearly had zero strategy when they specifically game plan for an old, nearly retired Mikan, and literally run set plays most of the time.

YOU CAN'T SAY THAT PITTMAN WOULD TRASH PEOPLE BY PLAYING MODERN BALL IN THAT ERA. THE RULES WERE DIFFERENT. OBVIOUSLY YOU'D HAVE AN ADVANTAGE IF YOU PUT ONE GUY WITH MODERN RULES INTO THE PAST AND CALLED IT FROM A MODERN PERSPECTIVE. THAT'S THE SAME LOGICAL FALLACY OF, 'THESE OLD GUYS CAN'T PLAY BECAUSE OF HOW THEY DRIBBLE'. IF THEY LEARNED THE GAME THE SAME WAY, THEY'D PLAY THE SAME WAY.

Mikan was in his last season in the video you dumb f*ck. He made a few nice passes, timed rebound tips, and was second on his team in scoring, and they won. THEY CHANGED RULES BECAUSE OF HIM. He shit on his competition and it's patently stupid to assume he'd be a poor player with proper shoes, medicine and training.

That game had players with comparable skills, playing fast, without zones, without iso-ball, without threes, without ticky tack fouls, without whining to the refs, and guys played with significant injuries. There was a behind the back pass, there were 25 foot shots, there was ball movement. People claim the floater is the hardest shot in basketball, and these guys took 18 foot one handers that were essentially floaters. They used the f*cking backboard.

This is good basketball with slightly different rules and skills. You're showing a grandiose amount of stupidity. Stop talking nonsense and learn about the game you piece of shit.[/QUOTE]

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