Patrick Beverley is NOT a good defender

[QUOTE=Euroleague]He was somehow always just injuring or almost injuring guys all the time in Europe on these "accident" plays and the SAME thing ever since he came to the NBA.

How many freaking times does this have to happen before fans stop pretending?

This guy is the dirtiest player in a LONG time. It's like he's trying to be remembered as the dirtiest player ever.

The point is, at some point, someone is going to get seriously hurt, and this psychopath isn't even going to care.

There is no place for guys like this in the NBA or any other league for that matter.[/QUOTE]


I agree with you except I truly believe he doesn't want to hurt people, it's just the way he plays that hurts people.

He has poor defensive instincts (watch his games) but excellent hustle and determination. He consistently plays harder on the defensive end than any other player I've seen, but it still doesn't make him a good defender. His constant effort on defense and aggressiveness I believe gets into some players heads, sometimes. I truly believe that this is also why he hurts people.

That play on Westbrook was uncalled for. If Westbrook didn't have his guard down, I don't think he would have been severely injured.

I don't think he belongs in the NBA because he's going to end up hurting a lot of players, but I think coaches just love his effort.

[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]LOL at bringing up Lillard who owned his skinny ass till beverley flopped him out of the game.
why dont you do it like that.
Bev vs Lillard: 12 points vs 21 points before fouling out on a flop
Bev vs Westbrook: 2 points vs 24 points and[B] Westbrook only had bad percentage because Failerley fouled him twice on 3 point attempts.[B][/B][B][/B][/B]
Houston fans just overrate the shit out of him because they follow their media like sheep[/QUOTE]
I didnt even bother to read your post all the way cause I know youre a dumbass...

But missed FG's when getting fouled dont count as a missed FG.

So BeverD fouling him on three's had absolutely NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS SHOOTING %.

How old are you? Do you even know the rules of basketball?

[QUOTE=UK2K]The fact your comparing scoring totals with Lillard and Westbrook in a thread YOU created downplaying BeverD's defense tells me....
A) You lost the argument already
B) This isnt about BeverD's defense at all
C) Youre on a one man crusade to justify Lin to the world

Again, Lin is garbo. He'd be good for Milwaukee or the Jazz, but not on a team where you have two top 3 players at their position. BeverD has played ONE full season in the NBA so far. ONE.

I hope Lin gets traded just so I dont have to see you post anymore about him not getting PT over [B]someone who meshes with the team better.[/B] [B]Go to ClutchFans[/B], there is a thread using statistical analysis that shows BeverD fits in better.

Go away.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=UK2K]I didnt even bother to read your post all the way cause I know youre a dumbass...

But missed FG's when getting fouled dont count as a missed FG.

So BeverD fouling him on three's had absolutely NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS SHOOTING %.

How old are you? Do you even know the rules of basketball?[/QUOTE]
he would have made both so he would have had a better FG percentage

[QUOTE=UK2K]Westbrook 6/17 5 TOs
Lillard 7/13 7 TOs
Hill 2/5 1 TO

Not including the Bulls game. That was an anomaly, they looked tired after the past two weeks and everyone played poorly.

But other than that, hes done pretty well against other pretty good point guards. Lillard was even complaining about him. You have guys complaining about you in SI, then you're doing something right.

Not saying hes the best defender, but he disrupts the other teams offense. Thats his only job. Disrupt the offense.[/QUOTE]

If you're job is to be a troll who is putting others in harms way...then you aren't a very good player. All the dude does is play hyper aggressive and troll people. He fouls a lot, gets beat of the dribble, and does his best to plant the thought that he might you in the back of everyone's mind.

[QUOTE=Jailblazers7]If you're job is to be a troll who is putting others in harms way...then you aren't a very good player. All the dude does is play hyper aggressive and troll people. He fouls a lot, gets beat of the dribble, and does his best to plant the thought that he might you in the back of everyone's mind.[/QUOTE]
he got repeatedly BURNED by Krick freaking Heinrich yesterday... i mean common u serious:wtf:

[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]he would have made both so he would have had a better FG percentage[/QUOTE]
Would he? Would he have made both?

Hypothetically Bev should have shot 30 shots cause he would have made all of them too.

You dont even know the rules of basketball yet you are arguing against statistical proof that the Rockets offense and defense is better with BeverD playing more minutes...

What else ya got?

[QUOTE=UK2K]Would he? Would he have made both?

Hypothetically Bev should have shot 30 shots cause he would have made all of them too.

You dont even know the rules of basketball yet you are arguing against statistical proof that the Rockets offense and defense is better with BeverD playing more minutes...

What else ya got?[/QUOTE]
okay you are a troll.
how do i not know the rules of basketball.:biggums: :wtf:

QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]okay you are a troll.
how do i not know the rules of basketball.:biggums: :wtf:[/QUOTE]
You argued Westbrook FG% would have been higher had he not gotten fouled, not knowing missed FGs on fouls dont count as a missed FG in the box score.


He swiped the ball a career-high five times against the*Cleveland Cavaliers*on Feb. 1 and has had three or more steals in 11 of his 46 games this season. He’s had 12 steals, including two against the Thunder, over his past five games.*

BeverD is 4th in the league in steal/TO ratio. That's his job. Play defense. Take care of the ball. Thats what he does.

And you still have yet to defend the statistical argument for playing Bev over Lin. Argue the numbers. Tell me the rockets are better with him and show me the numbers.

[QUOTE=UK2K]QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]okay you are a troll.
how do i not know the rules of basketball.:biggums: :wtf:[/QUOTE]
You argued Westbrook FG% would have been higher had he not gotten fouled, not knowing missed FGs on fouls dont count as a missed FG in the box score.


He swiped the ball a career-high five times against the*Cleveland Cavaliers*on Feb. 1 and has had three or more steals in 11 of his 46 games this season. He

[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]
Jeremy Lin showed he can completely shut down opposing PGs this season, did it even in multiple consecutive games.
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its true.
keep denying doe:applause: :applause:

[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]You argued Westbrook FG% would have been higher had he not gotten fouled, not knowing missed FGs on fouls dont count as a missed FG in the box score.


He swiped the ball a career-high five times against the*Cleveland Cavaliers*on Feb. 1 and has had three or more steals in 11 of his 46 games this season. He

[QUOTE=UK2K]okay for a tard like you i will do it.
If Lin takes more than 11 shots(that usually happens when he starts) the Rockets are 16-2 (16-1 before last games no show by everyone)
when he plays more than 30 minutes( usually when he starts) Rockets are 17-6.
at one point of the season, not so far ago the Rockets where 10-10 when beverley plays more than 30 minutes.
those are all UNDISPUTABLE facts, not even talking about how he is B>Y FAR their best passer and the guy who showed greatest Chemistry with Dwight when he was allowed to play real PnR Pointguard.
What you say now doe:coleman:[/QUOTE]

[B]Lin takes more then 11 shots when were crushing teams by 30 which happens more and more frequently. [/B]

Look I'm not saying Bev is better, im saying hes better for THIS team.[B] Lin needs to go to Milwaukee[/B].[/QUOTE]
showing your retardation and CLEAR bias against Lin while ignoring the stats i posted who were consistent through the whole season.
only stat that got better was bevs win ratio when he plays more than 30 minutes during that last winning streak of the Rockets which was somewhat overrated if you consider everyone they beat was in a losing streak.
those stats i posted are a solid PROOF that he HAS TO start.
dont make me post his way better defensive rating than beverleys too:roll: :roll:
stay mad doe

I'm from Houston, and I love the Rockets to death but Mario Stanfield I'm not sure if your a rockets fan or just a really really big Jeremy Lin fan ..? Either way, you push out the same agenda in every thread I've seen you post in..I understand your frustration with McHale and Lins playing time but it's getting old already.

Anyways, on topic Beverley is a good defender, I got comcast and I've seen almost every rockets game for the past 5 years or so? He does tend to gamble but that's what makes you great is when you take risks. He's had multiple game changing defensive plays, which is why McHale loves him. McHale was a great defender in his day(multiple all defensive selections) , and he has Lin coming off the bench because he's better suited for it, he is basically Harden just not as good. You can't have 2 players like that on the starting lineup so you keep the better one in and have the other one play the role off the bench. Both great off the PnR, Lin a better defender, harden a better scorer, it works especially because of Lins chemistry with Asik and Cisco already off the bench.