US state department and Pentagon confirm Russia is firing on Ukraine

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Right-wingers bobbing on the knob of an ex-KGB agent. Spectacular fail from these phony patriots.

We've lost thousands of soldiers and spent trillions of dollars to fail to keep Iraq and Afghanistan under control and some of you think we can deal with Russia? This is idiotic. Of course Obama wants nothing to do with war with Russia. That would be because he's sane. We only attack Russia if they attack us. They have a huge, powerful military. They're far away (unless you live in Palin's house). A large population. Nukes. You want World War III? No one advocating military action should be pretending to care when soldiers die or the debt explodes. Madness.

[QUOTE=longhornfan1234]I want US, UK, Germany Israel, and Ukraine to go to war with Russia, Syria, and Iran. It's inevitable.

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Originally Posted by Nick Young
Would we not be able to objectively dominate Russia if it ever came down to war?[/QUOTE]
Honestly... I think we could defeat Russia handily.[/QUOTE]

OK Kids, time for bed. We'll leave the pieces where they are and you can finish up tomorrow after school.

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Amerifats think they can take on Russia :oldlol:

[QUOTE=KevinNYC]OK Kids, time for bed. We'll leave the pieces where they are and you can finish up tomorrow after school.[/QUOTE]
While we could no doubt wreak extreme havoc what's amazing to me is that some of these posters haven't learned the lesson of Iraq/Afghanistan: destabilizing a country is not the same thing as controlling it. And then you throw in how powerful Russia is, how big the country is? What are these people thinking?

[QUOTE=JohnFreeman]Amerifats think they can take on Russia :oldlol:[/QUOTE]


we'd wreck them handily...we'd just never do it. and we'd maybe take some big shots too but we have way more fire power and tech. our military expenditure dwarfs everyone.

America is weary of war. problem is everyone knows it and they abuse it... while ISIS is taking over Iraq, Iran had been meddling in Iraq/Syria/etc for a long time knowing we were already involved in IRaq/Afghanistan, Putin basically playing chicken with us and the EU, and its really a situation where the world leaders know we don't have the appetite for war anymore, despite the firepower/arms to destroy everyone.

which obviously necessitates shit like sanctions, politics with other nations to get involved with us, etc. type of stuff where they're weary of it too since they helped us in Iraq/Afghanistan as well...and we helped in Syria.

still doesn't change the perspective of us crying every day while watching Ukraine who chose the west over Russia gets abused, watching a airliner downed by Russian separatists with Putin's obvious involvement and ruining the crime scene along with blatant lies/propaganda that insults the worlds intelligence while the world just watches...making us all poosies vs 1 clever asshole running a mass propaganda'd nation.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]While we could no doubt wreak extreme havoc what's amazing to me is that some of these posters haven't learned the lesson of Iraq/Afghanistan: destabilizing a country is not the same thing as controlling it. And then you throw in how powerful Russia is, how big the country is? What are these people thinking?[/QUOTE]

And several hundred operational nuclear weapons and thousands in reserve.

I also like when you throw Iran into the mix. I wonder what a war time economy with $16 gas looks like because no oil tankers can get through the Strait of Hormuz.

Also the logistics of supporting this war would be fun considering there are several countries between Germany and Ukraine. Seems like a lot of supply flights. Where is all this jet fuel coming from?

[QUOTE=Godzuki]making us all poosies vs 1 clever asshole running a mass propaganda'd nation.[/QUOTE]
While Putin is "taking advantage" of our being sick of war to try and take territory over in the Ukraine the shooting down of a passenger jet was not "clever." That was a massive blunder that in no way furthered the cause of Putin or the separatists. Sanctions won't stop Russia but they don't like them either.

[QUOTE=KevinNYC]And several hundred operational nuclear weapons and thousands in reserve.

I also like when you throw Iran into the mix. I wonder what a war time economy with $16 gas looks like because no oil tankers can get through the Strait of Hormuz.

Also the logistics of supporting this war would be fun considering there are several countries between Germany and Ukraine. Seems like a supply flights. Where is all this jet fuel coming from?[/QUOTE]
There would be a thousand problems that we don't even anticipate.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]There would be a thousand problems that we don't even anticipate.[/QUOTE]

You know who wins that war? China.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]While Putin is "taking advantage" of our being sick of war to try and take territory over in the Ukraine the shooting down of a passenger jet was not "clever." That was a massive blunder that in no way furthered the cause of Putin or the separatists. Sanctions won't stop Russia but they don't like them either.[/QUOTE]


obviously it wasn't intentional...i'm talking about how he's handled the situation, while furthering his ambitions in Ukraine with no check or repercussions to this point...a whole crime scene ruined and controlled by 'rebels' while the rest of the world sends investigators in at the mercy of rebel drunks. its really pitiful but almost funny how u look at it :oldlol:

the thing is this, its great to be us and have our military expenditure and arms when the world THINKS you might use it...thats when it works as a deterrence. Thats the main reason we do it, not to use it but to scare the fukk out of people or other countries leaders not to fukk with us. But they follow our countries politics, they see our liberals extremely dead set against war, even Republicans are weary and they're as stupid reactive with temper tantrums led by emotion as people come....and here we are where people are testing us because they know our country has no appetite for war, or really very little threat of really making a move like that. Its like we used our cards on stupid shit like Iraq and Afghanistan, now we can't play it again, and we're constantly tested now. i don't think Iran would've been as bold with us, especially that Ahminijad fgt talking all of that shit if he knew we weren't already involved in 2 wars and the climate of America being so weary of it.


not to say we still can't bomb the shit out of people, arm others, etc. but even arming tends to come back around...just we'll never probably have mass ground troops anywhere again for awhile. at least i don't think so....

[QUOTE=KevinNYC]And several hundred operational nuclear weapons and thousands in reserve.

I also like when you throw Iran into the mix. I wonder what a war time economy with $16 gas looks like because no oil tankers can get through the Strait of Hormuz.

Also the logistics of supporting this war would be fun considering there are several countries between Germany and Ukraine. Seems like a lot of supply flights. Where is all this jet fuel coming from?[/QUOTE]


i don't follow the worlds oil reserves and supply but i do know the arab countries, Canada, us, and i know there are many more that can probably make up for it IF the EU weren't so attached and there already being a infrastructure/reliance of supply the EU is accustomed to. No way Russia is the end all be all source for oil in the entire world...

i also think our tech is leagues ahead of Russia...i'm pretty sure of that. not saying we wouldn't be hit with some shots but i do think we'd handily wreck them. And realistically its not like Putin can suicide bomb his whole country into war against us...and Russians would know its like suicide i think...even if they're very nationalistic.

thats where i like our chances in a game of chicken, or rather calling his bluff.

You guys are a bunch of f[I]u[/I]cktards. First of all, Russia or China weren't trying to step in while we were blowing the middle-east a new asshole the past 10 years, and there's little difference between the invasion of Ukraine and that of Iraq.

Furthermore, as people mentioned, going to war with Russia or even posturing to do such a thing is completely retarded. No one wants any piece of the other top 10 military nations.

Anyone who was alive in the early mid 60's will tell you how stupid and terrifying that would be.

[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]You guys are a bunch of f[I]u[/I]cktards. First of all, Russia or China weren't trying to step in while we were blowing the middle-east a new asshole the past 10 years, and there's little difference between the invasion of Ukraine and that of Iraq.

Furthermore, as people mentioned, going to war with Russia or even posturing to do such a thing is completely retarded. No one wants any piece of the other top 10 military nations.

Anyone who was alive in the early mid 60's will tell you how stupid and terrifying that would be.[/QUOTE]

that was Soviet Union era...its just Russia and they are still trying to get back to where they were. After the Soviet collapse Russia went through a lot of problems and instability, and i even think they lost a lot of their weapons/arms to rogue dealers altho i'm sure they still have huge stockpiles of it and not saying they aren't a big threat still.

If you're referring to me i'm not saying we go to war with them but you have to at least make the threat you're willing, otherwise he and others are extremely abusive of our passiveness or playing chicken knowing we're flinching at first threat of collision. And thats basically what Putin is doing...he's actually stepped up his assaults on Ukraine, even been more open it seems with direct attacks from Russia now from what it sounds like, and so shortly after the Malaysian crash where the world reprimanded him....and he's just laughing in everyones faces while the world blusters.

Sanctions will probably take a decade to make him cave, if it took Iran like 5~ years? seems to be the way we're headed tho....feel sorry for Ukraine.