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[QUOTE=andgar923]I think Pip's greatest attribute was being a bitch.
Honestly.
If he had any balls and stood up for himself he would've left the Bulls early on due to MJ's abuse. But he stayed around and leaned on Grant's shoulder to help him get by.
So he deesrves that much credit.[/QUOTE]
Wow.
This is why I love Rock. Not long ago, these Jordan stans fought to the botter end trying to say they werent biased and didnt have an agenda. Now theyre starting to come out and show their stupidity. Trevor Ariza? Wow.
Swish used to say that Pippen was his second favorite player. Now hes making posts dedicated exclusively to calling Pippen names and all sorts of ignorance.
Nice job exposing these clowns Rock.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]This is why I love Rock. Not long ago, these Jordan stans fought to the botter end trying to say they werent biased and didnt have an agenda. Now theyre starting to come out and show their stupidity. Trevor Ariza? Wow.
Swish used to say that Pippen was his second favorite player. Now hes making posts dedicated exclusively to calling Pippen names and all sorts of ignorance.
Nice job exposing these clowns Rock.[/QUOTE]
Why do we all get crapped on? There's like 5 Jordan 'fans' on this board, 1 of them makes a statement and you're saying we're responsible for everything LeBron/Kobe stans say?
Drama much?
Here's a mind blowing fact -- if you take the best player in the game and give them a decent enough no.2 option, provided the rest of the roster is at least average, there's a better than 50% chance that team is going to win the championship IMO.
That's just how basketball is.
That's true of 90s Jordan, 94-95 Hakeem, 2000s Shaq, 67 Wilt, etc.
Those guys are just so much better than everyone else, you give them a decent no.2 and there's a fairly good chance they win the title. Not a guarantee, but the odds are better than a coin flip IMO.
[QUOTE=Soundwave]Why do we all get crapped on? There's like 5 Jordan 'fans' on this board, 1 of them makes a statement and you're saying we're responsible for everything LeBron/Kobe stans say?
Drama much?[/QUOTE]
Yes. Because you guys created this ridiculous line of reasoning. At least in this forum. You guys started the whole "only win as the man counts" concept back when you refused to give a young Kobe Bryant credit for his role on the Lakers championships in the early 00s. I NEVER hear of that concept until you guys used it againt Bryant. Then Bryant fans took it and it spread like wild fire.
Its so bad that posters dont even talk about the team anymore only the teams best player. Its not gomma be the Bulls vs the Cavs, its gonna be Derrick Rose vs LeBron James. So take a bow. Your contributions have ruined the concept of team in basketball. Congrats
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Yes. Because you guys created this ridiculous line of reasoning. At least in this forum. You guys started the whole "only win as the man counts" concept back when you refused to give a young Kobe Bryant credit for his role on the Lakers championships in the early 00s. I NEVER hear of that concept until you guys used it againt Bryant. Then Bryant fans took it and it spread like wild fire.
Its so bad that posters dont even talk about the team anymore only the teams best player. Its not gomma be the Bulls vs the Cavs, its gonna be Derrick Rose vs LeBron James. So take a bow. Your contributions have ruined the concept of team in basketball. Congrats[/QUOTE]
Find me a post where I said any of those things. Ruined basketball, are you kidding me? :oldlol:
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Basketball has always been centered about individual match-ups since Wilt vs. Russell, so get over yourself. If you don't like it go watch a different sport.
[QUOTE]Here's a mind blowing fact -- if you take the best player in the game and give them a decent enough no.2 option, provided the rest of the roster is at least average, there's a better than 50% chance that team is going to win the championship IMO.
That's just how basketball is.*
That's true of 90s Jordan, 94-95 Hakeem, 2000s Shaq, 67 Wilt, etc.
Those guys are just so much better than everyone else, you give them a decent no.2 and there's a fairly good chance they win the title. Not a guarantee, but the odds are better than a coin flip IMO.[/QUOTE]
Lol. I never said different. Trevor Ariza is definitely a huge drop from Pippen. Hell Orlando Woolridge was better than Ariza. Expalni why Jordan couldn't lead the Bulls with him as the wing man.
But I also feel that the Bulls could've won a title without Jordan had they replaced him with a decent SG. The Bulls were that good.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Lol. I never said different. Trevor Ariza is definitely a huge drop from Pippen. Hell Orlando Woolridge was better than Ariza. Expalni why Jordan couldn't lead the Bulls with him as the wing man.
But I also feel that the Bulls could've won a title without Jordan had they replaced him with a decent SG. The Bulls were that good.[/QUOTE]
Well if we look at that Kemp-Pippen trade that nearly happened in the summer of '94 before the Sonics decided against it ... that's a situation where the Bulls probably still would've won multiple titles.
C- Longley
PF - Kemp
SF - Kukoc
SG - Jordan
PG - Harper
[QUOTE=97 bulls]I read posts like these and it just confirms where the root of trolling came from. Jordan fans. They created the Kobe stans, who created the LeBron stans.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]So take a bow. Your contributions have ruined the concept of team in basketball. Congrats[/QUOTE]
Holy shit. Can you be any more dramatic? Ruined basketball? :oldlol:
Look, Pip was a great complimentary player, perhaps the best of all time. But he was clearly a mental midget- from his early career with his 'migraine issues' to sitting out the final seconds of a key playoff game to the implosions in Houston/Portland.
Yeah he was a 'great leader' when he wasn't really leading at all, just playing good cop/grandmama to Jordan's harsh alpha dog. Once he was out from under Jordan's shadow, his real personality was revealed and it wasn't exactly the paradigm of stellar leadership.
You had the aforementioned unforgivable playoff moment in '94, then the next year he was openly campaigning to be traded when the Bulls were struggling to get to a .500 record (then went silent as soon as the bad guy came back and led them to a Historic 2nd 3peat), and then went on to publicly throw his teammate under the bus and run away as soon as things got tough in Houston.
No reason to catch feelings over people pointing these facts out.
[QUOTE]Basketball has always been about individual match-ups since Wilt vs. Russell, so get over yourself. If you don't like it go watch a different sport.[/QUOTE]
Lol. Only casual fans that dont know much about basketball say such. And losers. Do you think its a coincidence that the greatest winners in baseketball, Wooden, Auerbach, Jackson, Russell all preached team first. But I guess you know more than they do. Its true that the media and simpletons may have had the mindset. But not the players.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Lol. Only casual fans that dont know much about basketball say such. And losers. Do you think its a coincidence that the greatest winners in baseketball, Wooden, Auerbach, Jackson, Russell all preached team first. But I guess you know more than they do. Its true that the media and simpletons may have had the mindset. But not the players.[/QUOTE]
Basketball is the sport most impacted by a singular star player. Get over yourself. Everyone knows this. The fact that you have to use examples from 1960 when the league had 10-12 teams for the majority of time kinda says it all.
If you want to watch a true "team" sport go watch hockey or something. That's a sport where one player really can't tilt the favor of the game on his own and the best player often times does lose.
:oldlol: no way that interview happens today. Pippen comes off like a totally unprofessional piece of shit and Sager would definitely not egg him on like that today.
[QUOTE=guy]:oldlol: no way that interview happens today. Pippen comes off like a totally unprofessional piece of shit and Sager would definitely not egg him on like that today.[/QUOTE]
Pippen did the same thing again in '97, publicly demanding a trade (again). It was a pretty constant thing with Scottie.
He wasn't really great at controlling his emotions.
[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Holy shit. Can you be any more dramatic? Ruined basketball? :oldlol:
Look, Pip was a great complimentary player, perhaps the best of all time. But he was clearly a mental midget- from his early career with his 'migraine issues' to sitting out the final seconds of a key playoff game to the implosions in Houston/Portland.[/QUOTE]
Can you come up with some new material? Every time Pippen comes up, at least Rock and I always have a fresh clean perspective.
[QUOTE]Yeah he was a 'great leader' when he wasn't really leading at all, just playing good cop/grandmama to Jordan's harsh alpha dog. Once he was out from under Jordan's shadow, his real personality was revealed and it wasn't exactly the paradigm of stellar leadership.[/QUOTE]
Only Pippen haters say that.
[QUOTE]You had the aforementioned unforgivable playoff moment in '94, then the next year he was openly campaigning to be traded when the Bulls were struggling to get to a .500 record (then went silent as soon as the bad guy came back and led them to a Historic 2nd 3peat), and then went on to publicly throw his teammate under the bus and run away as soon as things got tough in Houston.[/QUOTE]
This whole paragraph is full of agenda and incomplete history. As well as lies.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Can you come up with some new material? Every time Pippen comes up, at least Rock and I always have a fresh clean perspective. [/QUOTE]
Is this a comedy club? Why would I need 'new material' :oldlol:
The man's actions speak for themselves. He was a mental midget malcontent who proved he was best suited for a secondary role (being the 3rd option in Houston obviously didn't agree with him either) where he could 'lead' by being the nice guy when the alpha dog's bark was too emotionally scarring for weaker teammates. Once he was asked to be the lead dog himself, well... just watch the video in the OP and others posted throughout the thread.
[QUOTE]Only Pippen haters say that. [/QUOTE]
Or people with their senses intact.
[QUOTE]This whole paragraph is full of agenda and incomplete history. As well as lies.[/QUOTE]
Go ahead and enlighten everyone here by expanding on this. Can't wait.
[QUOTE=Soundwave]Pippen did the same thing again in '97, publicly demanding a trade (again). It was a pretty constant thing with Scottie.
He wasn't really great at controlling his emotions.[/QUOTE]
I know. Just don't remember him ever being so giddy about it :oldlol: most stars usually just give a politically correct answer or try to avoid talking about that type of thing completely.