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[QUOTE=navy]I dont know about Neil Johnston but the rest of them probably have top ten worthy peaks.
PER is an arbitrary stat so nobody should use it in that manner. [B]Dubeta is just doing what does best. Troll[/B].[/QUOTE]
Actually I think he does it pretty poorly.
[QUOTE=G.O.A.T]Win.
From here through the rest of his prime, if he wins the Championship every year his team is a legit contender, he'll have a damn good claim. On a physical level, his combined athleticism, versatility, size and skill are the greatest I think we've ever seen.
4 MVP's before 30 is significant, 2 Finals MVP's and a reign as the leagues best player that seems unlikely to be fully overtaken anytime soon. The guy is good, uniquely durable too, which can lead to great even faster.
The knock on LeBron thus far is that he doesn't consistently elevate himself and his teammates in the most crucial moments/games/series.
Being swept in 2007, losing in 2011 and 2014 when they were favored...that's not on the resume of other number 6 and number 23's
But that being said, without him his team isn't in that situation and guys like Wilt (2-4), West (1-7), Kareem (6-5), Magic (5-4), Bird (3-2), Moses (1-2), Oscar (1-1) lost more often, as often or almost as often in the finals as they won. LeBron at 2-3 is a victim of his own success to those who would criticize his mark.[/QUOTE]
Only one thing to add: They weren't favored in 2014... Only 2011, and he f'cked up.
[QUOTE=Prometheus]Actually I think he does it pretty poorly.[/QUOTE]
True but it's the only thing he does. :oldlol:
stop Team hopping and recruiting.. SMH
Considering the current GOAT won two different 3-peats, he's got a long row to hoe still.
Plus there's all the quitting when things got tough. Quit in playoffs. Bail on Cleveland. Quit in Finals. Bail on Miami.
Can you imagine MJ, or even someone like Larry Legend, ever quitting on their team when things looked bad? Those kinds of guys would rather cut their own throats than give up even when all looked lost. LeQuit can't ever measure up to their competitive spirit alone. He's not even in the top ranks of spirit, much less being GOAT.
Lol @ people claiming one ring in Cleveland is somehow special. It's still just one ring to anyone outside of Ohio. It's in context to how stacked his team is (likely very much) and how good the competition was. It's still just one ring to anyone not an irrational LeQuit homer.
Then there's all the assorted douchebaggery. The dancing. The whining. The crab-dribbling. The Decision. "Not one, not two, not three... ", "It's gun be easy...", The "I'm Coming Home" schtick. The ridiculous amount of ref help he's received. And the flopping... Good god the flopping. It's shameful someone with so much talent constantly flopping like a bitch. The guy can't even play the game straight up. He's got to cheese it all the time. It cheapens the game. This guy compares to MJ? :roll:
Like I said, the dude has a looooooooooooong row to hoe to even crack the top rank of greats, much less be considered for GOAT by anyone outside his drooling, circle-jerking stans.
win more than 24 rings coz ring chasers ring is only valued 1 pt compared to 4 pts for 1st option
That ship sailed long ago. :banana:
[QUOTE=navy]Pretty much. 5-6 rings wont put him above MJ to most, but some will say it does. I'd put him around 4-5th. Maybe 2-3 if the Kareem longevity is there.
7-8 rings and 7-8 FMVPs/MVPs though? Pedo will commit suicide trying to jump through hoops trying to explain how even with the failures he still won more. :oldlol: He will be the GOAT if he manages that, although realistically it is impossible.[/QUOTE]
too bad the reality is he cant even win while having the best teammate of any GOAT
[QUOTE=knickswoman]too bad the reality is he cant even win while having the best teammate of any GOAT[/QUOTE]
Magic and Kareem
Kobe and Shaq
Off topic:
Was you username always Knickswoman or is this an alt?
Can anyone name me any of the GOATs that won rings with a head coach as unproven and marginal as Erik Spoelstra?
He's a video coordinator dressed up as a head coach
I'm waiting...
[QUOTE=Partizan]Hey!
Didn't post here in a while, but last couple of days I've been thinking about something...
Is there any chance that LeBron will be accepted by basketball fans as the GOAT when it all set and done? By accepted I mean basically being what is Jordan right now. ( Considered the GOAT by most of objective bball fans).
For me, I don't really see it happening, but if he would for example, win something like 5 championships with the Cavaliers in a dominant fashion, without 2011 finals like moments, with all the MVPs he is gonna get, I guess he could be considered for a GOAT?
Do you agree? What do you personally think it would take for him to get to that level, and do you find it possible? :)[/QUOTE]
Build a time machine and erase his Betaness in huge moments.
[QUOTE=dubeta]Can anyone name me any of the GOATs that won rings with a head coach as unproven and marginal as Erik Spoelstra?
He's a video coordinator dressed up as a head coach
I'm waiting...[/QUOTE]
Inb4 kobe
He would have to surpass Jordan's accomplishments while doing it at a similar level of play
[QUOTE=Lebronxrings]if he wins a ring with cleveland he is.[/QUOTE]
1 ring = #2 all time lock
2 rings = 1b
3 rings = clear cut #1
Multiple rings with different franchises as top dog is an exceptionally rare achievement in the NBA.
If he gets at least 2 to match his Miami 2, that'll be pretty friggin incredible.
win 2-3 more championships. he's already got the stats (highest PER in postseason history) and accolades (4 MVPs). dude just needs more chips.
1 ring in cleveland would catapult him into top 3 range. easily.