Obama authorizes airstrikes in Iraq

[QUOTE=Godzuki]nah it doesn't matter what it is...whether we have any fault in the situation or not....the world looks to the U.S. as their savior/protector especially when atrocities occur. It can be the Boko Haram killings in Nigeria where the people will be asking for America to step in and help...it can be Iraq when Sadaam and his sons were running rampant and they were asking for the US's help....it can be Israel/Palestine which both sides say only the U.S. is able to broker peace....its every entire bad situation in the world where people look to the U.S. around the world to help them.

We're obviously the richest country in the world by a large margin, with the most powerful military by a large margin, and we tend to help natural disasters/catastrophes around the world the most of any country, which i think is the main reason we're seen as the worlds helper/savior. very little of that is based on our previous involvements or faults in things....

while all of the internet nerds want to constantly demonize us.[/QUOTE]

None of that changes what I said. You can't go into a country and remove the government, put in a new one and when things start to go bad shortly after you say. "The World expects us to sort out other people's problems" They're your problems too.

I'm not saying the U.S doesn't help out where it can with aid etc ( For the record you're not the only country that does it) but none of that is even relevant. ISIS is a product of the war. Whether you like it or not the U.S has to act. Iraq is still very much in an after care relationship with the U.S.

[QUOTE=step_back]None of that changes what I said. You can't go into a country and remove the government, put in a new one and when things start to go bad shortly after you say. "The World expects us to sort out other people's problems" They're your problems too.

I'm not saying the U.S doesn't help out where it can with aid etc ( For the record you're not the only country that does it) but none of that is even relevant. ISIS is a product of the war. Whether you like it or not the U.S has to act. Iraq is still very much in an after care relationship with the U.S.[/QUOTE]


no we're not the only country, we just happen to give/help the most of any country...

but you can't argue people are asking US for help all around the world, even in situations we never had any involvement in. You can't keep sticking on one point in one or two situations then keep pretending you're right that we are only expected to get involved because we started messes there. That is just not true at all. We're involved in so much around the world, and are looked to get involved, because we're seen today as a leader of the world powers. I mean we're involved with NKorea protecting the South, we're involved with the azn nations and their island disputes trying to maintain peace, we're always trying to keep some type of peace throughout so many regions, and we're generally front and center in doing so.

I emphasize the Iraqi people were asking for our help before we ever went in...against Sadaam.

but again people all around the world ask/expect us to help them when there are atrocities occurring.

I'm not against helping against ISIS btw, so i'm not arguing that, my argument is about every internet conspiracy theorist and 1/2 the nerds here always talking shit about us that has zero validity or truth behind it. We're always the bad guys only out for ourselves in their stupid minds....and yet current events disproves that in sooo many situations.

USA practically put Saddam Hussein in power and armed him..

[QUOTE=Godzuki]no we're not the only country, we just happen to give/help the most of any country...

[B]but you can't argue people are asking US for help all around the world, even in situations we never had any involvement in. [/B] You can't keep sticking on one point in one or two situations then keep pretending you're right that we are only expected to get involved because we started messes there. That is just not true at all. We're involved in so much around the world, and are looked to get involved, because we're seen today as a leader of the world powers. I mean we're involved with NKorea protecting the South, we're involved with the azn nations and their island disputes trying to maintain peace, we're always trying to keep some type of peace throughout so many regions, and we're generally front and center in doing so.

I emphasize the Iraqi people were asking for our help before we ever went in...against Sadaam.

but again people all around the world ask/expect us to help them when there are atrocities occurring.

I'm not against helping against ISIS btw, so i'm not arguing that, my argument is about every internet conspiracy theorist and 1/2 the nerds here always talking shit about us that has zero validity or truth behind it. We're always the bad guys only out for ourselves in their stupid minds....and yet current events disproves that in sooo many situations.[/QUOTE]

I'm not arguing that anyway.

All developed countries get asked for help. You happen to be the richest. That's just the pecking order. The EU sends huge amounts of money to other countries too and plenty of countries provide aid but that's something entirely different to asking for help in the form of Military action. Most countries would rather not get involved.

The reason why I keep coming back to why the U.S needs to help Iraq is because that's exactly what the thread is about. I'm staying relevant to the thread.

[QUOTE=JohnFreeman]USA practically put Saddam Hussein in power and armed him..[/QUOTE]


i love the very obscure generalizations of what we did in hindsight.

give us the FULL story...in terms of the situation back then, what we intended to happen in our actions back then and why we did it, and how the outcome differed in what our intentions were. there is never a full and accurate detail of things with most of you who always blame us for everything, ever....

the other thing is we're all people who were alive in the last 80~ years or so, so blaming us for stuff past generations did, during entirely different times like cold war where the big thing was communism vs democracy, Russia vs US in nuclear WW3...etc. were VERY different times as well with reasons for subterfuge.

thats why people who can't argue in current events are rather clueless IMO. since that i would call OUR responsibility, at least we had say/vote/etc...you know our generation with our current beliefs according to the world today(unlike any time in the past, no matter how retarded the people who always pretend history repeats itself use that are...)

It's about damn time.

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[QUOTE=russwest0]more military spending. yay! :rockon:[/QUOTE]

Why do you hate America? Why do you hate freedom? Those brave soldiers are fighting for all Americans to live well.

[QUOTE=step_back]I hope the Americans kill the British people that left England to go and fight for ISIS. Those treacherous pigs deserve it.[/QUOTE]
Those people aren't british.

[QUOTE=9512]Why do you hate America? Why do you hate freedom? Those brave soldiers are fighting for all Americans to live well.[/QUOTE]
Making healthcare affordable is a good start.

[B]U.S. Warplanes Attack Militants in Iraq[/B][QUOTE]American warplanes struck Sunni militant positions in northern Iraq on Friday, the Pentagon and Kurdish officials said, confirming the first significant American military operation in the country since United States forces withdrew in 2011.

Two F-18 fighters dropped 500-pound laser-guided bombs on a mobile artillery target near Erbil, according to a statement by Rear Adm. John Kirby, the Pentagon press secretary. Militants of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria were using the artillery to shell Kurdish forces defending Erbil,

[QUOTE=No.45]"You're startling me with the severity of what you're describing," the CNN host said. "You said they are --- beheading children?"


[url]http://www.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/barbara-boland/leader-isis-systematically-beheading-children-christian-genocide[/url]


[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdIEm1s6yhY[/url]


[url]http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/07/world/meast/stopping-isis/index.html[/url]

pure evil.[/QUOTE]


I'm not saying this guy is lying but we really need to make sure claims like this are true before we get dragged into more shit.

do any of you remember the Nayirah debacle?
[QUOTE]
The Nayirah testimony was the controversial testimony given before the non-governmental Congressional Human Rights Caucus on October 10, 1990 by a female who provided only her first name, Nayirah. The testimony was widely publicized, and was cited numerous times by United States senators and the American president in their rationale to back Kuwait in the Gulf War. In 1992, it was revealed that Nayirah's last name was al-Ṣabaḥ (Arabic: نيره الصباح‎) and that she was the daughter of Saud Al-Sabah, the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States. Furthermore, it was revealed that her testimony was organized as part of the Citizens for a Free Kuwait public relations campaign which was run by Hill & Knowlton for the Kuwaiti government. Following this, al-Sabah's testimony has come to be regarded as a classic example of modern atrocity propaganda.[1][2]

In her emotional testimony, Nayirah stated that after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait she had witnessed Iraqi soldiers take babies out of incubators in a Kuwaiti hospital, take the incubators, and leave the babies to die.

Her story was initially corroborated by Amnesty International[3] and testimony from evacuees. Following the liberation of Kuwait, reporters were given access to the country. An ABC report found that "patients, including premature babies, did die, when many of Kuwait's nurses and doctors...fled" but Iraqi troops "almost certainly had not stolen hospital incubators and left hundreds of Kuwaiti babies to die."[/QUOTE]

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_%28testimony%29"]link[/URL]

why is it not the french or the germans doing this shit......they have huge armies........and i do belive the germans know a thing or 2 about fighting in wars ......

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Those people aren't british.[/QUOTE]

their passports say they are...................and whole europe is fukked, crawling with muslims.................very dangerous to be a jew in europe, 1940 all over

[QUOTE=tomSR.]their passports say they are...................and whole europe is fukked, crawling with muslims.................very dangerous to be a jew in europe, 1940 all over[/QUOTE]

1940?