[QUOTE=Nowitness]Which is exactly why I label myself as an antitheist. [B]Checkmate[/B].[/QUOTE]
Assuming you even know what it means. By your recent history........
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[QUOTE=Nowitness]Which is exactly why I label myself as an antitheist. [B]Checkmate[/B].[/QUOTE]
Assuming you even know what it means. By your recent history........
You really can't get anywhere with a religious person. Indoctrination is powerful.
I read somewhere that the brain rewards you for holding onto your beliefs. So trying to talk to a religious person with logic will only make them hold onto their beliefs even stronger.
As for the question, I wouldn't want the god of any religion mankind has created. I feel like the book God Delusion captures all my feelings on the subject of religion. It's useless thing today that causes nothing but trouble. Yes it gives people comfort, but so does Santa for children. There comes a time when you have to grow up. It's amazing how children figure out that Santa isn't real, but adults can't let go of the idea of a man in the sky watching over them.
Let's see what Einstein himself has to say about god:
[QUOTE]The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, [B]the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish.[/B] No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.
-- Albert Einstein[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. [B]Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms.[/B]
-- Albert Einstein[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions.[/B] And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything "chosen" about them.
-- Albert Einstein[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]I cannot conceive of a personal God who would directly influence the actions of individuals, or would directly sit in judgment on creatures of his own creation.[/B] I cannot do this in spite of the fact that mechanistic causality has, to a certain extent, been placed in doubt by modern science. [He was speaking of Quantum Mechanics and the breaking down of determinism.] My religiosity consists in a humble admiration of the infinitely superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that we, with our weak and transitory understanding, can comprehend of reality. Morality is of the highest importance -- but for us, not for God.
-- Albert Einstein[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. [B]I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. [/B]If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
-- Albert Einstein[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RoseCity07]You really can't get anywhere with a religious person. Indoctrination is powerful.
I read somewhere that the brain rewards you for holding onto your beliefs. So trying to talk to a religious person with logic will only make them hold onto their beliefs even stronger.
As for the question, I wouldn't want the god of any religion mankind has created. I feel like the book God Delusion captures all my feelings on the subject of religion. It's useless thing today that causes nothing but trouble. Yes it gives people comfort, but so does Santa for children. There comes a time when you have to grow up. It's amazing how children figure out that Santa isn't real, but adults can't let go of the idea of a man in the sky watching over them.[/QUOTE]
Love that Dawkins quote.
[QUOTE=RoseCity07]You really can't get anywhere with a religious person. Indoctrination is powerful.
[B]I read somewhere that the brain rewards you for holding onto your beliefs. So trying to talk to a religious person with logic will only make them hold onto their beliefs even stronger.
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As for the question, I wouldn't want the god of any religion mankind has created. I feel like the book God Delusion captures all my feelings on the subject of religion. It's useless thing today that causes nothing but trouble. Yes it gives people comfort, but so does Santa for children. There comes a time when you have to grow up. It's amazing how children figure out that Santa isn't real, but adults can't let go of the idea of a man in the sky watching over them.[/QUOTE]
Yup, it's called confirmation bias.
[QUOTE=Brokenbeat]Royal Society = 97% non-theists
American National Academy of Sciences = 93% non-theists
But hey, what do they know? I'm sure you can set them straight. :oldlol: :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
LOL Science is always changing. Nothing is ever concrete in the scientific world.
Scientists still can't explain how DNA was created, yet simpletons all across the globe believe in Evolution as irrefutable certainty.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]LOL Science is always changing. Nothing is ever concrete in the scientific world.
Scientists still can't explain how DNA was created, yet simpletons all across the globe believe in Evolution as irrefutable certainty.[/QUOTE]
Okay, and this is evidence that the Bible is correct? If science has these built in methods to get it right and revise, then how wrong is the Bible which has no method for correcting its errors?
Science is tentative. You say that as if it's a bad thing. It's a great thing. No scientist would be ashamed of the scientific method.
no one is really against the idea of religion/God in my opinion.
they might just be against the idea of living a healthy life.
to accept the unknown.
instead of risking the unknown.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]Scientists still can't explain how DNA was created, yet simpletons all across the globe believe in Evolution as irrefutable certainty.[/QUOTE]
like those simpletons at monsanto who use evolutionary principles to design products that earn them billions of dollars, right?
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]LOL Science is always changing. Nothing is ever concrete in the scientific world.
[B]Scientists still can't explain how DNA was created[/B], yet simpletons all across the globe believe in Evolution as irrefutable certainty.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Who makes us breath? Who make our brain function? To all of the non believers out there, you can't see wind but you believe its there right?
The real problem with religion is that it teaches people to stop asking questions. They can live their lives and just know that some being out there figured it all out and they don't have to think for themselves. Just be a follower.
This thinking leads to war and destruction. You see it in the news every single night. People killing each other over which god is the right god.
This can't happen in science. If there is disagreement, you talk about it, use evidence to support your claim. People either reach consensus or they don't. Disagreement about the the creator being of the Earth or the universe drives people to murder and hate.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]LOL Science is always changing. Nothing is ever concrete in the scientific world.
Scientists still can't explain how DNA was created, yet simpletons all across the globe believe in Evolution as irrefutable certainty.[/QUOTE]
Irrefutable certainty for creationists:
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[QUOTE=GimmeThat]no one is really against the idea of religion/God in my opinion.
they might just be against the idea of living a healthy life.
to accept the unknown.
instead of risking the unknown.[/QUOTE]
Yes, they are. There are many reasons for it. Ranging from God being petty, not wanting to live in a George Orwell novel, not surrendering your mind to a book, refusing to be told who you can have sex with and how.
[QUOTE=RoseCity07]Okay, and this is evidence that the Bible is correct? If science has these built in methods to get it right and revise, then how wrong is the Bible which has no method for correcting its errors?
Science is tentative. You say that as if it's a bad thing. It's a great thing. No scientist would be ashamed of the scientific method.[/QUOTE]
I said earlier in this thread that the Bible is merely a history book on past events. I don't even own a Bible. Again, people are so quick to shoot down Christians since it's the dominant religion across the globe.
Forget Christianity and forget the Bible. I'm more interested in how science can invariably prove the existence of a deity by using that same science to show that there are things on this Earth, in the universe, and within ourselves that cannot be scientifically explained. While DNA research is still fairly new, I'm fascinated by the fact that we can find nothing else like it here on Earth or begin to explain its origins.
This is a good read on Creationism for those non-believers who at least have an open mind about the whole thing.
[url]http://www.icr.org/article/105/[/url]