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[QUOTE=3ball]
Jordan
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[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]He competed with Pippen over Madonna [B]and over dick sizes.[/B][/QUOTE]
That's one area he can never compete with Pippen in.
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[QUOTE=3ball]you're missing the point of the thread.
if the number of trophies that two guys have is close to the same,[B] but one guy had to carry his team waaaaaaaaaaaay more, and had waaaaaaaaaaaay less help,[/B] than who cares what the accomplishments were.[/QUOTE]
In the postseason, did MJ lead his team in points, rebounds, assists and steals in any B2B title years like LeBron did?
[QUOTE=Hey Yo]In the postseason, did MJ lead his team in points, rebounds, assists and steals in any B2B title years like LeBron did?[/QUOTE]
[SIZE="3"][U]Regular Season Thru Age 29:[/U][/SIZE]
[B]LB[/B]: 27.4 PPG, 7.1 RPG, 6.9 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.8 BPG, 49.6 FG%, 58.1 TS%, 116 ORtg, 27.7 PER, 0.243 WS/48
[B]MJ[/B]: 32.3 PPG, 6.3 RPG, 5.9 APG, 2.7 SPG, 1.0 BPG, 51.6 FG%, 58.9 TS%, 121 ORtg, 29.8 PER, 0.274 WS/48
[SIZE="3"][U]Playoffs Thru Age 29:[/U][/SIZE]
[B]LB[/B]: 28.0 PPG, 8.4 RPG, 6.4 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.9 BPG, 48.2 FG%, 57.8 TS%, 116 ORtg, 27.7 PER, 0.242 WS/48
[B]MJ[/B]: 34.7 PPG, 6.7 RPG, 6.6 APG, 2.3 SPG, 1.0 BPG, 50.1 FG%, 58.1 TS%, 119 ORtg, 29.6 PER, 0.258 WS/48
[SIZE="3"][U]Finals Thru Age 29:[/U][/SIZE]
[B]LB[/B]: 24.1 PPG, 8.7 RPG, 6.4 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.55 BPG, 46.3 FG%, 31.2% 3 PT
[B]MJ[/B]: 36.3 PPG, 6.6 RPG, 7.9 APG, 2.0 SPG, 0.76 BPG, 52.6% FG, 40.7% 3 PT
[size="3"]So basically, 1 game of Jordan's scoring in the Finals was the equivalent of having Lebron playing 3 HALVES (1.5 games)!![/size]
[QUOTE=Demitri98]
Funny how OP left out 3P% from regular season and playoffs because LeBron's is better, but included it in the Finals because Jordan's was better.
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[b]Not at all bro - thru age 29, Jordan shot 35.2% in the playoffs from 3-point range, which is GREATER THAN Lebron's 33.3%.
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The only reason I left it off initially, is because there wasn't enough room - the data would have carried over to a 2nd line and ****ed up the alignment - the alignment is necessary for easy comparison of the stats.
Jordan was greater in so many stat categories (almost every single one), that i had to PRIORITIZE.
[QUOTE=3ball][SIZE="3"][U]Regular Season Thru Age 29:[/U][/SIZE]
[B]LB[/B]: 27.4 PPG, 7.1 RPG, 6.9 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.8 BPG, 49.6 FG%, 58.1 TS%, 116 ORtg, 27.7 PER, 0.243 WS/48
[B]MJ[/B]: 32.3 PPG, 6.3 RPG, 5.9 APG, 2.7 SPG, 1.0 BPG, 51.6 FG%, 58.9 TS%, 121 ORtg, 29.8 PER, 0.274 WS/48
[SIZE="3"][U]Playoffs Thru Age 29:[/U][/SIZE]
[B]LB[/B]: 28.0 PPG, 8.4 RPG, 6.4 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.9 BPG, 48.2 FG%, 57.8 TS%, 116 ORtg, 27.7 PER, 0.242 WS/48
[B]MJ[/B]: 34.7 PPG, 6.7 RPG, 6.6 APG, 2.3 SPG, 1.0 BPG, 50.1 FG%, 58.1 TS%, 119 ORtg, 29.6 PER, 0.258 WS/48
[SIZE="3"][U]Finals Thru Age 29:[/U][/SIZE]
[B]LB[/B]: 24.1 PPG, 8.7 RPG, 6.4 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.55 BPG, 46.3 FG%, 31.2% 3 PT
[B]MJ[/B]: 36.3 PPG, 6.6 RPG, 7.9 APG, 2.0 SPG, 0.76 BPG, 52.6% FG, 40.7% 3 PT
[size="3"]So basically, 1 game of Jordan's scoring in the Finals was the equivalent of having Lebron playing 3 HALVES (1.5 games)!![/size][/QUOTE]
But where does that show LeBron had waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more help?
Where does that show that MJ lead his team in the 4 stats I stated in B2B title years?
We saw what didn't work for Miami in 2011, but saw what did work in 2012 and 13
[QUOTE=Hey Yo]
Where does that show that MJ lead his team in the 4 stats I stated in B2B title years?
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Who cares - thru the age of 29, Jordan averaged 50% more scoring than Lebron in the Finals (36 PPG to 24 PPG) - that means Lebron must play an entire extra half (1.5 games) to match 1 game of Jordan's scoring.
MJ also had better assists (7.9 APG to 6.4 APG), so Lebron is not making up the scoring anywhere else...
And even though MJ took on a 50% higher scoring load with more assists, he still had better overall efficiency (53% FG to 46%) and 3-point shooting (41% to 31%).
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[QUOTE=Dragic4Life]Stop. This is straight embarrassing for you.
It's a lost cause, Lebron is well on his way to surpassing MJ as the GOAT when all is said and done. Accept it.[/QUOTE]
2-4 :lol
[QUOTE=Hey Yo]But where does that show LeBron had waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more help?
Where does that show that MJ lead his team in the 4 stats I stated in B2B title years?
We saw what didn't work for Miami in 2011, but saw what did work in 2012 and 13[/QUOTE]
2013 is lucky
[QUOTE=3ball]Jordan[/QUOTE]
Another excellent post by 3ball. Maybe I was wrong about you. :applause:
[QUOTE=Paul George 24]2013 is lucky[/QUOTE]
Luck is often a factor in sports. If the Bulls did not get lucky with the Spurs being so eager to unload Rodman that they traded him for a career backup center what would have happened to the Bulls in 1996-1998? Ray Allen's Game 6 shot was no more or no less lucky than John Paxson's Game 6 shot.
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]Ray Allen's Game 6 shot was no more or no less lucky than John Paxson's Game 6 shot.[/QUOTE]
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It wasn't saving their life in the series, or on a difficult turn around fall away on the baseline. Predicated on an opponent error fumbled loose ball. San Antonio choke that game away. Then did it in game 7 as well when Duncan missed a gimme.
You serious, dude? Paxson was poised, and wide open due to the attention on MJ from full court. Horace made a nice pass.
[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]:oldlol:
It wasn't saving their life in the series, or on a difficult turn around fall away on the baseline. Predicated on an opponent error fumbled loose ball. San Antonio choke that game away. Then did it in game 7 as well when Duncan missed a gimme.
You serious, dude? Paxson was poised, and wide open due to the attention on MJ from full court. Horace made a nice pass.[/QUOTE]
LOL, right?
If Pax missed that shot, we still had Game 7. If Ray Ray missed that shot, Lebron is 1/4 (at that point, 1/5 if everything played out as it did the next season) in the Finals.
I would say I can't believe Roundball would use that scenario, but then again we ARE talking about Roundball. :oldlol:
MJ was routinely required to score every point for his team down the stretch of games.