Cops shoot down a homeless man in LA

You want police officers to give criminals the benefit of the doubt?

That's all I need to know about you to decide to not take you serious.

That's a fuhcking deathwish.

Police lives > criminals lives

[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]Unless you have some compelling reason to believe he is armed, you have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Eg. you raid a drug den and encounter a bunch of other people already armed. Then its reasonable to assume other suspects are armed



Once a life threatening risk or risk of permanent severe injury presents itself I have no problem with a cop using lethal force.

If a cop uses lethal force and he is wrong and there was no risk of that level of injury occurring, and there was no compelling reason to believe that risk existed, the cop is out of luck and i would vote to convict if i was on his jury.



Really depends on level of threat, cops cant use lethal force until a certain threshold is reached.

I will give cops the benefit of the doubt and try to see if there was a compelling reason to believe that level of threat existed, but in the absence of even that, they should be convicted.[/QUOTE]



I think you are really misjudging how easy it is to "analyze the threshold" when you are being attacked by a crazy person who could be armed. If you are making a legitimate inquiry/arrest and he begins to violently attack you, just kill him.

Like, why are you upset when crackheads who initiate an assault on someone get killed?

Again, if a guy is simply resisting or squirming or trying to push a cop away that's completely different, and lethal force in that case would be clearly excessive. If he's charging you, swinging fists and kicking and grabbing for guns, just put him down. Why would you even want someone that stupid around??

[QUOTE=Akrazotile[B]]I think you are really misjudging how easy it is to "analyze the threshold" when you are being attacked by a crazy person who could be armed. If you are making a legitimate inquiry/arrest and he begins to violently attack you, just kill him.
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Like, why are you upset when crackheads who initiate an assault on someone get killed?

Again, if a guy is simply resisting or squirming or trying to push a cop away that's completely different, and lethal force in that case would be clearly excessive. If he's charging you, swinging fists and kicking and grabbing for guns, just put him down. Why would you even want someone that stupid around??[/QUOTE]

I appreciate that it is hard to judge how threatening a situation is, just think the alternative of giving the cops the right to shoot even when no real risk exists is a slippery slope.

We disagree on the level of violence/threat from a suspect that justifies lethal force, and i think that cops that kill in under the circumstances you describe would be in a lot of trouble.

[QUOTE]Like, why are you upset when crackheads who initiate an assault on someone get killed? [/QUOTE]

Personally I would be lying if I said I was.

[QUOTE]Again, if a guy is simply resisting or squirming or trying to push a cop away that's completely different, and lethal force in that case would be clearly excessive. [/QUOTE]

you see the problem with your scenario is a corrupt cop could just claim anyone that offended him strung and missed and thats why he shot them.

[QUOTE] If he's charging you, swinging fists and kicking and grabbing for guns, just put him down. Why would you even want someone that stupid around??[/QUOTE]

I think you have to establish a higher standard for the use of lethal force than you do. With your standard the cops could basically kill anyone they want.
[QUOTE] If he's charging you, swinging fists and kicking[/QUOTE]
Also this situation is different depending on who is attacking. If you have someone that looks like brock lesnar attacking you and you shoot him, I am going to give you a lot more benefit of the doubt than if someone like sheldon cooper were attacking you. Its just a different level of potential threat.

[QUOTE]grabbing for guns[/QUOTE]
If somebody tries to grab a cops gun, zero percent problem with the cop shooting that person.

[QUOTE=KNOW1EDGE]You want police officers to give criminals the benefit of the doubt?

That's all I need to know about you to decide to not take you serious.

That's a fuhcking deathwish.

[B]Police lives > criminals lives[/B][/QUOTE]
I agree, but i think you have to set a higher standard than you seem to do of when it becomes appropriate to use lethal force.
Its weird most people think the standard for using lethal force is way higher than I do.


[QUOTE]You want police officers to give criminals the benefit of the doubt?[/QUOTE]

In that if someone is resisting arrest cops should automatically assume they are armed? yes.