Similar to Wade which stars of today will have the saddest decline

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin]Do you ever quit 3ball?[/QUOTE]
do you guys ever stop making erroneous claims about the game?
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played off-ball better (ray allen, reggie miller)

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Off-ball play is not just catch and shoot - Did you see the GIFs of [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10862372&postcount=18][u]off-ball play[/u][/url]?... Ray and Reggie can't dream of doing those things...

[I]MJ averaged 34 PPG for his career playing off-ball[/I] - Ray and Reggie were nowhere NEAR that.

Btw, even though MJ did many of things off-ball that Ray and Reggie can't dream of doing, catch-and-shoot was still a big part of MJ's game.. And believe it or not, he was BETTER at it that Ray and Reggie - MJ shot mostly 2-pointers and he was a better 2-point shooter than Ray or Reggie, on much higher volume.. He scored more on catch-and-shoot than they did.. :confusedshrug:


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(kobe, [B][SIZE="3"]rule changes[/SIZE][/B]).

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The rule changes made penetration easier.

Seriously, do you understand that?.. The NBA [url=http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/04/09/stujackson/index.html][u]officially stated[/u][/url] the rule changes were meant to increase penetration and had succeeded in this objective - [i]again, this is from the source and creator of the new rules, so it cannot be subjective opinion, similar to how Warren Buffet's vision for Berkshire Hathaway is not subjective opinion[/i].

Does this make sense?.. Or do you enjoy ignoring facts and making up your own truth?
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Wesbtrook and Harden were definitely the first 2 that came to mind for me.

Pretty much all the guys who rely significantly on their quickness and athleticism, which will decline.

wade's sad decline is not due to loss of athleticism. its due to not being able to cosistently stay healthy. when he's healthy, he's still a superstar level player. he may not have the explosiveness he used to, but he's smart player. he still gets it done with his midrange, post up, runners, and floaters.

back on topic, id say westbrook, griffin, harden

[QUOTE=MJistheGOAT]In general players who rely too much in athleticism and high physical risk movements, who re not elite shooters and/or have elite skills.

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Westbrook[/QUOTE]

Pretty much this. I would just note that this applies mostly to PG/SG's who tend to be smaller and rely more on quickness. Players like Lebron can find different ways to score using their size rather than their quickness.

Westbrook definitely doesn't seem like he'll age gracefully.

Derrick Rose didn't necessarily lose his athleticism, but doesn't really explode as much as he used to. He's been terrible this season, but I think it's more of a mental issue because he still looks athletic as hell at times. I think this is a good indication of how he would have aged had he not gotten injured.

what type of sick fk would predict some evil shit like this?

Westbrook...Blake Griffin..Dwight maybe? Idk who else.

[QUOTE=f0und]wade's sad decline is not due to loss of athleticism. its due to not being able to cosistently stay healthy. when he's healthy, he's still a superstar level player. he may not have the explosiveness he used to, but he's smart player. he still gets it done with his midrange, post up, runners, and floaters.

back on topic, id say westbrook[B], griffin, harden[/B][/QUOTE]

I think Harden is a toss up. He's got handles and he's a smart player and knows how to draw contact. He's like a more skilled version of Corey Maggette.

Griffin is also a toss up. Griffin seems like he's just effective because he's athletic but he's got skills. He's got handles for his size and he's strong as hell. His jumper has improved a LOT. He's shown that he can put in the work to develop the skills needed to age gracefully.

Most NBA stars are able to adapt with age.

[QUOTE=greatest-ever]Westbrook...Blake Griffin..Dwight maybe? Idk who else.[/QUOTE]

Dwight is a good one. Without that athleticism, his skillset is pretty horrible. He still has his strength though which might allow him to age well enough.

[QUOTE=3ball]Did either of these guys get 10 triple-doubles in 11 games, or average 30/9/11 playing point guard?... Okay then - so Jordan demonstrated the better point guard ability - that's a fact, and it's not even close - neither Penny nor Wade has ever played PG that well.

Btw, MJ only played PG for that stretch because the regular PG was hurt.. Normally, Jordan shunned the ball-dominance because he'd learned more optimal ways to play at North Carolina.. That's actually how you know the point guard style isn't optimal for winning - if it was, Jordan would've played point guard full-time or been a more ball-dominant guard (also called a "combo" guard).[/QUOTE]
Triple doubles are such an arbitrary measure of production.

And what you mean Wade was never good at playing point guard? He played combo guard and didnt turn it over the way Westbrook did. Lol you bring up 30 11 9 for westbrook for a stretch of games? Wade in 09 had a better stretch where he averaged 38 ppg 10 apg on way higher efficiency than Westbrook.

[QUOTE=f0und]wade's sad decline is not due to loss of athleticism. its due to not being able to cosistently stay healthy. when he's healthy, he's still a superstar level player. he may not have the explosiveness he used to, but he's smart player. he still gets it done with his midrange, post up, runners, and floaters.

back on topic, id say westbrook, griffin, harden[/QUOTE]
Its both athleticism and injuries. There are days where he's healthy and he'll still look awful. Without athleticism Wade is still very good but he's no superstar without it.

Westbrook is going to end up like Francis if he doesn't develop his shot.

[QUOTE=Lebron23]Lebron is living rent free inside your head.[/QUOTE]

Dawg your name is Lebron23

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Defiantly LeBron James. His knees will begin to feel all those miles in a year or two. His footwork is shit and without explosiveness he'll be a 15/6/6 guy

Isn't Wade putting up 21/5/4 on 55% TS? Yeah, that's not a "sad decline".