[QUOTE=dhsilv]Did I say rules were changed in 11?[/QUOTE]
The way your talking made it seem 09 wade would struggle in 2011 just two years later. It makes no freaking sense.
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[QUOTE=dhsilv]Did I say rules were changed in 11?[/QUOTE]
The way your talking made it seem 09 wade would struggle in 2011 just two years later. It makes no freaking sense.
[QUOTE=Lebronxrings]He was placed in the most perfect situation both a great team and [B]weak competition[/B]. I think placed in this era, he would be a demar derozan with slightly better shooting.
so something like 25/5/5 on 47% shooting.[/QUOTE]
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And you wonder why it took a miracle from Jesus himself for your boy to not be 1/6 vs the West. The one time in the past 15 years the East had a win percentage higher than the mid 30s-low 40s, Bron Bron's 61 win team couldn't get out of 2nd round and he fled to Wade County.
Put any of Bron's teams in an East where the win% is in the upper 50s AKA the second 3-peat era and Bron gets clowned 2010 Celtics style every year barring another miracle. Dude would be bouncing from team to team so much, you'd think the motherf*cker was a 6'8" 260 lbs pinball.
[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Prime Wade from '05-'06: 27 PPG, 20 FGA, 2.3 3A/gm (11.5% of his shots), 48.7% FG *Championship, 2006 Finals MVP*
Past prime MJ from '95-'98: 30 PPG, 23 FGA, 2.8 3A/gm (c. 12% of his shots), 48.2% FG *3 Championships, '96, '97, '98 Finals MVP*[/quote]
Teams today shoot even more threes than they did in 2006. ~600 more to be exact.
Less midrange shots too.
I'm not saying Jordan would chuck threes. What I'm saying is Jordan actually had a 3 ball, and would have implemented it more so in today's game. That along with his bread and butter, midrange level, would be exploited less.
Again, I think dude still scores the same (volume). Probably even more, but he does so while being marginally less effective.
[quote]Yeah, KD is a great scorer and all but he's not on Jordan's level FOH. Dude gets muscled out of the post by the 6'4" Tony Allen for f*ckssake. Hell of a 3 and FT shooter though. That always helps the ole TS%. Dude barely eeked out one of his scoring titles against a washed up Kobe.[/quote]
Too soon? You're probably right. Dude needs to hit the weights, and be a little more aggressive in the playoffs. That series vs Memphis was definitely the low point of his career.
That MVP season doe? His take over ability was damn near MJ level.
Admit it, Donnie.
[QUOTE=catch24]Teams today shoot even more threes than they did in 2006. ~600 more to be exact.
Less midrange shots too.
I'm not saying Jordan would chuck threes. What I'm saying is Jordan actually had a 3 ball, and would have implemented it more so in today's game. That along with his bread and butter, midrange level, would be exploited less.
Again, I think dude still scores the same (volume). Probably even more, but he does so while being marginally less effective.
Too soon? You're probably right. Dude needs to hit the weights, and be a little more aggressive in the playoffs. That series vs Memphis was definitely the low point of his career.
That MVP season doe? His take over ability was damn near MJ level.
Admit it, Donnie.[/QUOTE]
Durant is great but he actually an example of someone who i think would slightly struggle with handchecking physical defense.
[QUOTE=juju151111]Mj was playing in a team ball. Bro he wasn't holding the ball like LJ. Go look at the Bulls they averaged 20+ asts[/QUOTE]
Jordan has the highest usage ever. The ball always went through him, or was always heading to him in one way or another.
The Heat didn't have Bron hold the ball up either. The team set records for most passes in a game averaged throughout a season before the Spurs broke it the following season.
You Jordan fanboys are fascinated with bringing up Lebron any time you can.
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And you wonder why it took a miracle from Jesus himself for your boy to not be 1/6 vs the West. The one time in the past 15 years the East had a win percentage higher than the mid 30s-low 40s, Bron Bron's 61 win team couldn't get out of 2nd round and he fled to Wade County.
Put any of Bron's teams in an East where the win% is in the upper 50s AKA the second 3-peat era and Bron gets clowned 2010 Celtics style every year barring another miracle. Dude would be bouncing from team to team so much, you'd think the motherf*cker was a 6'8" 260 lbs pinball.[/QUOTE]
You do realize that chart has very little to do with what you're trying to portray, right?
It is like saying Porsche's are bad cars because of their stereo system.
This East isn't close to being the weakest it has ever been. Fact is, Jordan was making the playoffs with a 30 win team. No other way to cut it other than making the playoffs with 30 wins, makes it a weaker conference than teams with 40 wins making it.
[QUOTE=catch24]Teams today shoot even more threes than they did in 2006. ~600 more to be exact.
Less midrange shots too.
I'm not saying Jordan would chuck threes. What I'm saying is Jordan actually had a 3 ball, and would have implemented it more so in today's game. That along with his bread and butter, midrange level, would be exploited less.[/QUOTE]
Teams shot 6 3s/gm in 1990, by 1998 off the top of my head it was around 17 or 18 3s/gm. Didn't mean shit to the GOAT. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
And I already showed you how a broken down Wade averaged 22 PPG on 50.4% FG from 2010-present taking only 1.5 3s/gm.
Again- no one is being force to chuck 3s against their will. The only difference for MJ would be him getting a lot more room to operate on the perimeter with the removal of handchecking and a sharp increase in his FTr and more open lanes thanks to the 3-sec rule.
I can't reiterate this enough- dudes that were drafted and played in Jordan era (ie Kobe/Iverson) didn't have their career scoring highs until after the mid 00s rule changes. Now why on Earth would the GOAT perimeter scorer buck that league wide trend and have worse production.
That doesn't even make a little bit of sense
[QUOTE]Again, I think dude still scores the same (volume). Probably even more, but he does so while being marginally less effective. [/QUOTE]
There's absolutely no reason to believe his efficiency would go down. None whatsoever. You just saying it doesn't count for jack. He takes the same # of 3s he always did, AKA what Parker/Wade do now.
[QUOTE]Too soon? You're probably right. Dude needs to hit the weights, and be a little more aggressive in the playoffs. That series vs Memphis was definitely the low point of his career.[/QUOTE]
8 years after he couldn't do a single rep of 185 lbs on the bench press, he's getting bullied by a guy half his size with his own city calling him Mr. Unreliable.
But he = GOAT scorer doe.
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[QUOTE]That MVP season doe? His take over ability was damn near MJ level.[/QUOTE]
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Can you imagine MJ in one of his MVP/scoring title seasons getting bossed around on the court by someone 5'9"... in the playoffs :roll:
And his own teammate just won the scoring title a season after KD did. Jordan never had offensive help like that. Prime Pippen = 22 PPG. We haven't even seen Durant's sidekick's prime but already he has a scoring title to his name.
[QUOTE]Admit it, Donnie.[/QUOTE]
F*ck you. I'm going to sleep :D
To be fair to Durant, Payton shut down Jordan in 96 far worse than Allen did Durant.
Guess it just depends on whether you think MJ shoots more threes NOW than when he played in the 80s & 90s. I'd lean toward more considering dude actually had the range, and post 1990, shot it with more frequency than Wade and Parker ever did.
To each his own though.
MJ = GOAT
[QUOTE=catch24]Yes or no will suffice, but an explanation would be great too.
[B]I personally think MJ would be the SAME player, only less efficient due to the amount of 3's taken in the game today.[/B][/QUOTE]
I think most fail to contextualize the fact that Michael Jordan grew up [i]without[/i] the institutionalization of three-pointers, and he therefore didn't naturally develop that proficiency moving into his formative years in the NBA.
Yes, the three-point line was instituted in the NBA 5 years before Jordan's entrance into the league, but he never needed to use it in college; as such, he was rather ingrained within the mid-range radius of the game, and it took a while for him—alongside the rest of the league—to really espouse it as an indispensable skill. It wasn't until 1989-90 that the league average even cracked 33% three-point-shooting, and Jordan averaged 35.9% three-point-shooting as a Bull since that season—on par with the league average today!
Had Jordan grown up in the modern-age basketball culture that had already conventionalized three-point-shooting and mastered it from a younger, more rootly formative age, he most likely would've developed it as apart of his repertoire and thus would be in better shape to maintain efficience with a more three-point-happy approach.
[QUOTE=plowking]Jordan has the highest usage ever. The ball always went through him, or was always heading to him in one way or another.
The Heat didn't have Bron hold the ball up either. The team set records for most passes in a game averaged throughout a season before the Spurs broke it the following season.
You Jordan fanboys are fascinated with bringing up Lebron any time you can.[/QUOTE]
Usage isn't how long you hold the ball. Its just adds up all the things u do. I never said the Heat held the ball. I was replying to someone who said Mj was a ball stopper\iso player. The Bulls routinely averaged 20+ asts. Yea the offense went through Mj
[QUOTE=catch24]Guess it just depends on whether you think MJ shoots more threes NOW than when he played in the 80s & 90s. I'd lean toward more considering dude actually had the range, and post 1990, shot it with more frequency than Wade and Parker ever did.
To each his own though.
MJ = GOAT[/QUOTE]
He wouldn't need too. Go look at how much the league zhot in 88 to 98. He still was dominating even tho the league was shooting way more 3s
[QUOTE=plowking]To be fair to Durant, Payton shut down Jordan in 96 far worse than Allen did Durant.[/QUOTE]
Durant averaged 30/10 for the series. LOL.
He had one terrible game that brought his efficiency down, but don is a moron and is using newspaper articles for his arguments.
What happened after that article was released Don? Oh, that's right... Durant took a hot steamy pile of shit on Allen and the Grizz in games 6 and 7 to win the series.
Better. No contact, whistle everytime they touch one another.
[QUOTE=Vaniiiia]Durant averaged 30/10 for the series. LOL.
He had one terrible game that brought his efficiency down, but don is a moron and is using newspaper articles for his arguments.
What happened after that article was released Don? Oh, that's right... Durant took a hot steamy pile of shit on Allen and the Grizz in games 6 and 7 to win the series.[/QUOTE]
Game 6: 36/11
Game 7: 33/9
But he da choker doe