Predict 2013 Lebron stats in 1993 NBA

[QUOTE=Indian guy]Dude, you are the one who speculated first and said it with authority - that "LeBron ball" would relegate Price to spot-up shooter. My rebuttal is, in LeBron's 12 year career, he has played with 3 star-level guards - 'Mo Williams, Wade and Irving. 2 of them happened to be excellent shooters. And 2 of them were ball-dominant. Yet, in all 3 cases, not only did they manage to excel, but none of 'em were reduced to "spot up" status. Thus, proving your entire statement baseless. We don't need to speculate on how LeBron/Price would be used 22 years ago. We can just look at LeBron's history with star-guards and conclude that Price would do just fine.[/QUOTE]

How the hell did I say 'Lebron-ball' with authority, or did I need to prefix it with 'in my humble opinion'? Because you seem to be the one that speaks with an air of 'authority' and condensation in many of your posts where Lebron is the topic.

Mo Williams wasn't a star level guard. He's one of those glorified role players who, to Lebron's credit, managed to look better than he really was, as evidence by his under-performance in the playoffs and irrelevance after he left Cleveland. He's the classic example of a shooter whose game was enhanced from all the attention Lebron garnered.

Also, when I say spot-up shooter, as someone playing offball who would benefit playing off-Lebron, IF Price actually took on such a role I wasn't suggesting he wouldn't do fine. So you're arguing a point I never made. Price in that role was a deadly enough shooter to put up similar offensive numbers to what he did in 93, albeit without as much ballhandling duties. But at the end of the day, speculation debates amount to pissing in the wind and pointless, like the majority of 'what ifs' that people post here on a daily. You're entitled to your view and vice versa, and I'm not expending more time pissing up a tree here.

Not sure where this idea of Lebron thriving under physical contact came from. Or the idea that he'd be able to stiff arm and barrel into defenders back then like he does today and not get called for charges every time.

I'd predict 27-29 pts/7-8 reb/7 ast/48-50% FG/56-58% TS for 2013 Lebron in 1993. Third best player in the league that year behind Jordan and Hakeem, right alongside Barkley.

Since LeBron would thrive with the physicality, imagine how much more he could do defensively :eek:

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I'd predict 27-29 pts/7-8 reb/7 ast/[B][COLOR="Red"]48-50% FG[/COLOR][/B]/56-58% TS for 2013 Lebron in 1993. Third best player in the league that year behind Jordan and Hakeem, right alongside Barkley.


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I think you're overrating his FG%.. I don't see how he shoots 50%.. The lack of 3-point shooting and resulting packed paints were too real - when there's 8 guys standing in the paint (1st gif), [I]it's not possible for a penetrator to get in there.. All scorers had to pull-up for more midrange back then[/I].. And it doesn't have to be 8 guys, it could be just 2-3 guys or a PF clogging the lane, since they weren't spacing the floor like today's stretch 4's (see Hot Rod in 2nd gif).

So I'm pretty sure that congested paints would force more low efficiency mid-range pull-ups, just like it did for Jordan and everyone else... Also, there's the reality that Lebron's proportion of screen-roll/drive-and-kick offense would be smaller without the same elite 3-point shooting to kick the ball to that makes drive-and-kick preferable over other options in today's game.. With less screen-roll/drive-and-kick, he has to rely more on post, midrange, and isolations like everyone else - of course, these are all areas where his efficiency is average to bad.

[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]Not sure where this idea of Lebron thriving under physical contact came from. Or the idea that he'd be able to stiff arm and barrel into defenders back then like he does today and not get called for charges every time.

I'd predict 27-29 pts/7-8 reb/7 ast/48-50% FG/56-58% TS for 2013 Lebron in 1993. Third best player in the league that year behind Jordan and Hakeem, right alongside Barkley.[/QUOTE]

2013 LeBron was a DPOY level defender, and now you're allowing him to handhceck and play physical in 1993?

Skill-wise dude might NOT be as good as Jordan, but his impact would be right there. LeBron would be a nightmare on both ends of the court.

[QUOTE=catch24]2013 LeBron was a DPOY level defender, and now you're allowing him to handhceck and play physical in 1993?

Skill-wise dude might NOT be as good as Jordan, but his impact would be right there. LeBron would be a nightmare on both ends of the court.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, but that still doesn't make him better than Jordan or Hakeem that year.

[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]Agreed, but that still doesn't make him better than Jordan or Hakeem that year.[/QUOTE]

LeBron would've had better offense than Hakeem, and Hakeem would have better defense.

As players, they would be a wash after Jordan.

The three all belong in the same tier, tbh

[QUOTE=catch24]LeBron would've had better offense than Hakeem, and Hakeem would have better defense.

As players, they would be a wash after Jordan.

The three all belong in the same tier, tbh[/QUOTE]

Hakeem's defensive edge outweighs Lebron's offensive edge imo.

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[B][COLOR="Red"]Skill-wise[/COLOR] dude might NOT be as good as Jordan, but his impact would be right there. [/B]


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The skill deficit you allude to would negatively impact Lebron's ability to play the different brand of basketball prevalent back then.

Screen-roll/drive-and-kick would be a smaller portion of his offense without the same caliber 3-point shooters that makes today's drive-and-kick more efficient than other options.. Instead, Lebron's scoring profile would look like virtually every other scorer back then - he'd rely more on post, midrange and isolations, which are his average to bad efficiency areas.

Furthermore, there was less 3-point shooting back then to draw defenders out of the paint, so the paint was more congested.. This forced all scorers to pull-up from midrange more often (see gif above).. Again, midrange is a low efficiency area for him.. Since Lebron would have to rely on low efficiency areas in 1993, his efficiency would be worse back then, which would drag down his scoring.
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:wtf: [QUOTE=GIF REACTION]Lebron would be a more effective post player in the 90's... Or atleast just as good

1. He would be posting up smaller dudes (He would be blowing by Anthony Mason)

2. He is not a technical/Hakeem esque/footwork post player, he is a physical post player


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3. A physical player in a more physical league?[/QUOTE]

90s era would not allow leflop travel like that,plus no defensive 3seconds anymore ,he won't scores easy as he is not

20ppg on 40 fg%

[QUOTE=catch24]2013 LeBron was a DPOY level defender, and now you're allowing him to handhceck and play physical in 1993?

Skill-wise dude might NOT be as good as Jordan, but his impact would be right there. LeBron would be a nightmare on both ends of the court.[/QUOTE]

no way ,he is a poor man defender with a slow laterall speed

[QUOTE=Rocketswin2013]How much trouble is LeBron giving the league on the perimeter while being able to put his hands on guys? He nearly won DPOY's in a weak era with his hands behind his back, no?


He locked down D-Rose with length and recovery ability. He shut a peak Big Al down in 2013 by himself.


You give this guy the ability to abuse hand-check rules :eek:[/QUOTE]

he never lock down rose
,it's wade and him quick double team defended rose

[QUOTE=Indian guy]You mean, like how Wade and Irving became spot-up shooters alongside LeBron? :rolleyes:. We have 5 years of solid proof that ball-dominant guards have no issue excelling alongside LeBron. Nobody's turning into a "spot-up shooter". "LeBron ball" is only employed when he's playing with sub-par talent or a very unimaginative offensive coach. Prior to the 2015 playoffs(no Love/Kyrie), the last time we saw it was the 2010 NBA season.



LeBron always managed to average 7-8 rpg in Cleveland while playing with very strong rebounding front courts. No reason why he wouldn't be able to at least duplicate that in a faster-paced league that employs the 3-ball less, so he's going to be closer to the basket. Everybody averaged more rpg back in the day, so why the heck would LeBron's decrease?[/QUOTE]


lebron only made stars player around him get worse,larry hudges jammison,wade,bosh,big Z,love,Shaq.etc

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Lebron only made star players around him worse, larry hughes jamison, wadde, bosh, big Z, love, Shaq, etc.

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Lebron achieves his stats by reducing the stats of teammates - this is statistical fact.