MJ was more dominant in 97' & 98' runs than Lebron's 12' & 13

[QUOTE=3ball]We don't know who wins because we don't know how much their TEAMS assisted and turned it over, so we can't tell how big a proportion of each that Player A and Player B accounted for.

Btw, a sidenote - the 1997 and 1998 Bulls were 2nd and 7th in assists, which was better than the 2012 and 2013 Heat, who were 21st and 7th.



This player only accounts for only 10% of his team's turnovers - good for him.... :applause:

this means his proportion of team assists won't be reduced by that much...



This player accounts for a hefty percentage of his team's turnovers (20%)... shame on him....:(

this means his proportion of team assists will be reduced more.

btw - you don't understand simple math - the OP stats are THE most accurate way to measure a player's proportion of team points and assists, after accounting for turnovers... bar none[/QUOTE]

A turnover is a turnover, who cares about what percentage of the team's total turnovers it is :facepalm ?

[QUOTE=tmacattack33]A turnover is a turnover, who cares about what percentage of the team's total turnovers it is :facepalm ?[/QUOTE]
i'd hate to be your math tutor

:banghead:

[QUOTE=3ball]i'd hate to be your math tutor

:banghead:[/QUOTE]

That has nothing to do with math.

I understand your BS formula completely. In fact I understand your own formula better than you do mathematically, as you were incorrect when you stated that 1 turnover and 1 assist were a "wash" in your own formula.


I'm saying there is no reason to look at "percentage of team turnovers" as opposed to just turnovers, from a qualitative view point. :facepalm

If Ish Smith gets 5 turnovers for the Sixers tonight, that'll be just as bad as if Tony Parker gets 5 turnovers for the Spurs. It doesn't matter that the Sixers average more turnovers than the Spurs. But according to you, Tony Parker will have had the worse game here in terms of turnovers.

[QUOTE=tmacattack33]That has nothing to do with math.

I understand your BS formula completely. In fact I understand your own formula better than you do mathematically, as you were incorrect when you stated that 1 turnover and 1 assist were a "wash" in your own formula.


I'm saying there is no reason to look at "percentage of team turnovers" as opposed to just turnovers, from a qualitative view point. :facepalm

If Ish Smith gets 5 turnovers for the Sixers tonight, that'll be just as bad as if Tony Parker gets 5 turnovers for the Spurs. It doesn't matter that the Sixers average more turnovers than the Spurs. But according to you, Tony Parker will have had the worse game here in terms of turnovers.[/QUOTE]
what's the point of getting higher proportion of your team's assists if you get a higher proportion of your team's turnovers too, thus canceling it out?

[I]that's the point of the OP data[/I]: to arrive at each player's proportion of team points + assists, after accounting for their proportion of turnovers.

but i think i may have a solution to that circumvents your misunderstanding of basic math and the validity of the OP stats.. stay tuned

Late to the party but:
[QUOTE=3ball]The 1998 Jazz had a lower playoff DRtg (100.3) than any team Lebron ever faced in the Finals, and they destroyed Popovich/Duncan/Robinson's Spurs in the 1998 playoffs (4-1).... So....... you're obviously wrong.
[/QUOTE]

I don't think it's wise to use DRtg from one era to another. Different rules, different philosophy, different shot selections in general. The style itself is different to really fairly use certain stats across eras like that.

With that said, the Jazz is a match towards Thunder 12. Jazz faced the Lakers 98, which had more talent than the Thunder and Shaq, imo, was the better player than KD 12, Karl Malone 98, and Westbrook 12. I do think the Spurs 13 better than the Jazz tho, but all imo. It would've been nice series.

Pretty much all the relevant info
[CODE] Regular Season
Player Season G MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% eFG% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
LeBron James 2011-12 62 37.5 10.0 18.9 .531 0.9 2.4 .362 9.1 16.5 .556 .554 6.2 8.1 .771 1.5 6.4 7.9 6.2 1.9 0.8 3.4 1.5 27.1
Michael Jordan* 1996-97 82 37.9 11.2 23.1 .486 1.4 3.6 .374 9.9 19.5 .507 .516 5.9 7.0 .833 1.4 4.5 5.9 4.3 1.7 0.5 2.0 1.9 29.6
LeBron James 2012-13 76 37.9 10.1 17.8 .565 1.4 3.3 .406 8.7 14.5 .602 .603 5.3 7.0 .753 1.3 6.8 8.0 7.3 1.7 0.9 3.0 1.4 26.8
Michael Jordan* 1997-98 82 38.8 10.7 23.1 .465 0.4 1.5 .238 10.4 21.5 .482 .473 6.9 8.8 .784 1.6 4.2 5.8 3.5 1.7 0.5 2.3 1.8 28.7
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[CODE] Regular Season Advanced
Player Season G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 OBPM DBPM BPM VORP ORtg DRtg
LeBron James 2011-12 62 2326 30.7 .605 .127 .429 5.0 19.7 12.6 33.6 2.6 1.7 13.3 32.0 10.0 4.5 14.5 .298 8.3 2.7 11.0 7.6 118 97
Michael Jordan* 1996-97 82 3106 27.8 .567 .157 .304 4.2 13.2 8.8 21.2 2.4 1.1 7.2 33.2 13.3 5.0 18.3 .283 6.5 0.2 6.7 6.8 121 102
LeBron James 2012-13 76 2877 31.6 .640 .188 .395 4.4 20.8 13.1 36.4 2.4 1.9 12.4 30.2 14.6 4.7 19.3 .322 9.2 2.4 11.6 9.8 125 101
Michael Jordan* 1997-98 82 3181 25.2 .533 .067 .381 4.7 12.5 8.5 18.0 2.4 1.0 7.7 33.7 10.4 5.4 15.8 .238 4.6 0.0 4.6 5.3 114 100
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[CODE] Playoffs
Player Season G MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% eFG% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
LeBron James 2011-12 23 42.7 10.9 21.8 .500 1.0 3.7 .259 10.0 18.1 .549 .522 7.5 10.2 .739 2.3 7.4 9.7 5.6 1.9 0.7 3.5 2.0 30.3
Michael Jordan* 1996-97 19 42.3 11.9 26.2 .456 0.7 3.5 .194 11.3 22.7 .497 .469 6.5 7.8 .831 2.2 5.7 7.9 4.8 1.6 0.9 2.6 2.4 31.1
LeBron James 2012-13 23 41.7 9.2 18.8 .491 1.6 4.2 .375 7.7 14.6 .524 .532 5.9 7.6 .777 1.6 6.8 8.4 6.6 1.8 0.8 3.0 1.9 25.9
Michael Jordan* 1997-98 21 41.5 11.6 25.0 .462 0.6 2.0 .302 11.0 23.0 .476 .474 8.6 10.6 .812 1.6 3.5 5.1 3.5 1.5 0.6 2.1 2.2 32.4
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[CODE] Playoffs Advanced
Player Season G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 OBPM DBPM BPM VORP ORtg DRtg
LeBron James 2011-12 23 983 30.3 .576 .169 .466 6.8 20.5 13.8 28.1 2.4 1.3 11.8 33.4 4.2 1.6 5.8 .284 8.1 2.8 11.0 3.2 116 99
Michael Jordan* 1996-97 19 804 27.1 .524 .135 .297 5.9 16.4 10.9 25.7 2.1 1.9 8.0 35.5 2.5 1.5 3.9 .235 6.8 1.9 8.7 2.2 114 101
LeBron James 2012-13 23 960 28.1 .585 .222 .405 4.8 19.7 12.4 30.5 2.3 1.6 12.1 29.2 3.7 1.5 5.2 .260 7.3 2.9 10.2 2.9 118 101
Michael Jordan* 1997-98 21 872 28.1 .545 .082 .424 4.5 11.0 7.6 19.9 2.1 1.1 6.7 36.6 3.6 1.2 4.8 .265 7.1 -0.9 6.2 1.8 117 103
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[QUOTE=sdot_thadon]

Pretty much all the relevant info (playoffs coming)
[CODE] Regular Season
Player Season G MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% eFG% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
LeBron James 2011-12 62 37.5 10.0 18.9 .531 0.9 2.4 .362 9.1 16.5 .556 .554 6.2 8.1 .771 1.5 6.4 7.9 6.2 1.9 0.8 3.4 1.5 27.1
Michael Jordan* 1996-97 82 37.9 11.2 23.1 .486 1.4 3.6 .374 9.9 19.5 .507 .516 5.9 7.0 .833 1.4 4.5 5.9 4.3 1.7 0.5 2.0 1.9 29.6
LeBron James 2012-13 76 37.9 10.1 17.8 .565 1.4 3.3 .406 8.7 14.5 .602 .603 5.3 7.0 .753 1.3 6.8 8.0 7.3 1.7 0.9 3.0 1.4 26.8
Michael Jordan* 1997-98 82 38.8 10.7 23.1 .465 0.4 1.5 .238 10.4 21.5 .482 .473 6.9 8.8 .784 1.6 4.2 5.8 3.5 1.7 0.5 2.3 1.8 28.7
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[CODE] Regular Season Advanced
Player Season G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 OBPM DBPM BPM VORP ORtg DRtg
LeBron James 2011-12 62 2326 30.7 .605 .127 .429 5.0 19.7 12.6 33.6 2.6 1.7 13.3 32.0 10.0 4.5 14.5 .298 8.3 2.7 11.0 7.6 118 97
Michael Jordan* 1996-97 82 3106 27.8 .567 .157 .304 4.2 13.2 8.8 21.2 2.4 1.1 7.2 33.2 13.3 5.0 18.3 .283 6.5 0.2 6.7 6.8 121 102
LeBron James 2012-13 76 2877 31.6 .640 .188 .395 4.4 20.8 13.1 36.4 2.4 1.9 12.4 30.2 14.6 4.7 19.3 .322 9.2 2.4 11.6 9.8 125 101
Michael Jordan* 1997-98 82 3181 25.2 .533 .067 .381 4.7 12.5 8.5 18.0 2.4 1.0 7.7 33.7 10.4 5.4 15.8 .238 4.6 0.0 4.6 5.3 114 100
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[/QUOTE]
Your data only shows efficiency - it doesn't include volume such as PPG, which is what drives winning, not efficiency, as we saw in 2014 Finals.

In the 2014 Finals, the Heat shot better than any other Spurs opponent (DAL, POR, OKC), yet they lost by the most and had the widest differential in ORtg ever.. Otoh, the stat that ACTUALLY affected the ORtg differential was PPG[/I]:

DAL scored the most ppg vs. Spurs, and their disadvantage in ORtg was the smallest.. OKC scored the 2nd most ppg, and their disadvantage in ORtg was the 2nd smallest.. POR scored the 3rd most, and their disadvantage was the 3rd smallest... And of course, Miami, with their dumb efficiency strategy, scored the least ppg, and their disadvantage in ORtg was the most, BY FAR..

[B]Also, the point of the OP data is to show who championships while carrying the bigger load, so your data isn't relevant.[/B]

Phil Jackson on Scottie Pippen as a leader

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[B][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="2"][I]PROPORTION (%) OF TEAM PTS + AST WHILE PLAYER ON FLOOR [COLOR="blue"](proportion of TO not subtracted)[/COLOR][/I][/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]


[COLOR="White"]........................[/COLOR] [B]PO[/B][COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR][B]PO 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR][B]Finals[/B][COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] [B]Finals 4th[/B]


[I][B]JORDAN 1997[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs]64.0[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]84.5[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]73.6[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]91.1[/url]
[I][B]JORDAN 1998[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs]59.4[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]76.5[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]58.3[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]69.1[/url]

[I][B]LEBRON 2012[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs]69.7[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]63.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]72.5[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]62.7[/url]
[I][B]LEBRON 2013[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs]67.0[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]75.2[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]75.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]75.1[/url]


[B][COLOR="navy"]^^^^^ Looking at each player's proportion of points and assists ONLY, Jordan carried a bigger load while winning his 1997 championship than both Lebron's 2012 and 2013.. Jordan carried about the same load in 1998 as Lebron's 2012, but carried less than Lebron's 2013.[/COLOR][/B]




[B][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="2"][I]PROPORTION OF TEAM PTS + AST WHILE PLAYER WAS ON FLOOR [COLOR="blue"]MINUS PROPORTION OF TO'S[/COLOR][/I][/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]


[COLOR="White"]........................[/COLOR] [B]PO[/B][COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR][B]PO 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR][B]Finals[/B][COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] [B]Finals 4th[/B]


[I][B]JORDAN 1997[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs]40.8[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]51.2[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]53.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]48.2[/url]
[I][B]JORDAN 1998[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs]38.8[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]52.0[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]41.1[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]52.4[/url]

[I][B]LEBRON 2012[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs]39.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]31.6[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]39.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]34.1[/url]
[I][B]LEBRON 2013[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs]38.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]45.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]51.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]46.5[/url]


[B][COLOR="navy"]^^^^^ Looking at each player's proportion of points and assists minus their proportion of turnovers, Jordan carried a bigger load while winning his 1997 and 1998 rings than Lebron's load in 2012 and 2013.

As the data shows, old MJ won his LAST 2 championships while carrying a bigger load (proportion) of his team's points + assists after accounting for turnovers, than prime Lebron carried while winning his ONLY 2 championships.[/COLOR][/B]
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[QUOTE=3ball]what's the point of getting higher [B]proportion[/B] of your team's assists if you get a higher proportion of your team's turnovers too, thus canceling it out?

[I]that's the point of the OP data[/I]: to arrive at each player's proportion of team points + assists, after accounting for their proportion of turnovers.

but i think i may have a solution to that circumvents your misunderstanding of basic math and the validity of the OP stats.. stay tuned[/QUOTE]

Three words:

Fukk the [SIZE="5"][B]PROPORTION[/B][/SIZE]



LOL.

Stick to points, assists, and turnovers.

Or, if you want to adjust for a team's pace, which makes sense, use points/assists/turnovers per 100 possessions

[QUOTE=3ball]You're data only shows efficiency - it doesn't include volume such as PPG, which is what drives winning, not efficiency.

We all saw how the Heat had the best efficiency of any Spurs opponent in 2014 playoffs, but they lost by the most (record amount), because their volume (PPG) was the lowest.

Also, the point of the OP data is to show who won while carrying the bigger load, so your data isn't relevant.[/QUOTE]
It does if you scroll dummy. Basically shows that Mj wasn't superior in many categories at all. But I'll just leave it there for your enjoyment. Oh and ask Nash's suns how much ppg drives winning, or Nellie's warriors. The game isn't so bland bro.

I have never seen a supposed to be prime ATG get surpassed by a 7th pick, not expected to become a superstar in curry.

[QUOTE=tmacattack33]

[SIZE="4"]Stick to points, assists, and turnovers... Screw the "[B]proportion[/B]"[/SIZE]

[/QUOTE]
[SIZE="4"][COLOR="DarkRed"]You're missing the point - the point is to see which player carried the larger [I]LOAD[/I] while winning their championships, which is why [I]PROPORTION[/I] of team points, assists, and TO's is the key.[/COLOR][/SIZE]



[QUOTE=tmacattack33]

Fukk the [SIZE="4"][B]PROPORTION[/B][/SIZE]

[/QUOTE]
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[B][COLOR="darkRed"][SIZE="2"][I]PROPORTION (%) OF TEAM PTS + AST WHILE PLAYER ON FLOOR [COLOR="navy"](proportion of TO not subtracted)[/COLOR][/I][/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]


[COLOR="White"]........................[/COLOR] [B]PO[/B][COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR][B]PO 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR][B]Finals[/B][COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] [B]Finals 4th[/B]


[I][B]JORDAN 1997[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs]64.0[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]84.5[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]73.6[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]91.1[/url]
[I][B]JORDAN 1998[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs]59.4[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]76.5[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]58.3[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]69.1[/url]

[I][B]LEBRON 2012[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs]69.7[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]63.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]72.5[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]62.7[/url]
[I][B]LEBRON 2013[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs]67.0[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]75.2[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]75.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]75.1[/url]


[I][COLOR="blue"]^^^^^ Looking at each player's proportion of points and assists ONLY, Jordan carried a bigger load while winning his 1997 championship than both Lebron's 2012 and 2013.. Jordan carried about the same load in 1998 as Lebron's 2012, but less than Lebron's 2013.[/COLOR][/I]




[B][COLOR="darkRed"][SIZE="2"][I]PROPORTION OF TEAM PTS + AST WHILE PLAYER WAS ON FLOOR [COLOR="navy"]MINUS PROPORTION OF TO'S[/COLOR][/I][/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]


[COLOR="White"]........................[/COLOR] [B]PO[/B][COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR][B]PO 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR][B]Finals[/B][COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] [B]Finals 4th[/B]


[I][B]JORDAN 1997[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs]40.8[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]51.2[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]53.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]48.2[/url]
[I][B]JORDAN 1998[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs]38.8[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]52.0[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]41.1[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]52.4[/url]

[I][B]LEBRON 2012[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs]39.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]31.6[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]39.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]34.1[/url]
[I][B]LEBRON 2013[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs]38.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]45.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]51.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]46.5[/url]


[I][COLOR="blue"]^^^^^ Looking at each player's proportion of points and assists MINUS their proportion of turnovers, Jordan carried a bigger load while winning his 1997 and 1998 rings than Lebron's load in 2012 and 2013.

[COLOR="Red"][SIZE="3"]CLIFFS:[/SIZE][/COLOR] As the data shows, old MJ won his LAST 2 championships while carrying a bigger load (proportion) of his team's points + assists after accounting for turnovers, than prime Lebron carried while winning his ONLY 2 championships.[/COLOR][/I]

3rd ball left twisting in the wind

LeBron James