Checkmate Atheists!

[QUOTE=J Shuttlesworth]Atheism is actually a LACK of a belief system, so it can't be a religion in that sense. It would be like me telling you that you belong to a religion of people who don't believe in a flying spaghetti monster.

And Science isn't something based on beliefs. You don't have to "believe" in it, it's simply an observation of nature/the universe. I think of science like music theory. It's more of a way to categorize things. You don't have to "believe" in music theory, but it's there in all music whether you like it or not.[/QUOTE]
Atheists have a strong belief system. The blind belief in the system of scientists, and science telling them what to believe. Just like in every other religion, atheists decide for themselves how strongly or loosely they wish to cling to their belief system.


[B]Atheism is a religion by every definition of the word.[/B]

You are a follower of a religion bro. Sorry I had to be the one to break it to you.

[QUOTE=JEFFERSON MONEY]On the contrary, people of religious orientation look forward to death and are learned in utilizing the[U][B] remembrance of Death as it is a helpful deadline aide to focus, zone in on that which matters most in life. [/B][/U][/QUOTE]

So that's why those guys bomb themselves away and take lives of hundreds of others at a time? I see.

[QUOTE=JEFFERSON MONEY]You were challenged to the argument on what makes more sense, a) A Maker or b) no maker.

Respond back with science. Go. I don't need to push anything on to you. Man is supposed to search and adopt Truth.[/QUOTE]

That's why alot of atheists and agnostics don't like religious people. I didn't take a challange and I didn't challange you I don't want to convince you, but you seem to want to convince me. I won't change my believes, you won't change yours. Let's just leave it at that. Everything else is useless back and forth.

[QUOTE=UK2K]Ok, first off... :roll:

I started reading this post and thought 'no he's not bringing up AOE2'.

But to answer your question...

God didn't compel me not to kill the Afghans. I didn't kill them because I didn't want to kill them. There was no higher being telling me not to. There simply was no benefit to be gained. If there was? Maybe that changes things.

I don't believe in God (the Christian version of it anyway) because:

A) Being forced to worship him or burn in an entire pit of fire doesn't seem like much of a choice...
B) I've seen too much bad things to think there's a 'plan'. It's not a plan, it's luck. I've had EOD clear IED's out from where I had been sleeping the night before. Why didn't the IED go off while I was walking around on top of it? Was it God? Or was there some wiring flaw that caused it to malfunction?

Go watch the documentaries Restrepo or Korengal... 30 guys go on patrol, and the 8th one in line steps on a mine. God or just unlucky? 200 trucks go out in a convoy, the very last truck in the convoy is hit (wasn't a command det, it was a pressure plate)... Is that God? Or is the last truck just really ****ing unlucky to roll over it at the right place at the wrong time?

Tornadoes rip apart whole towns and some people die, some live.

Planes crash and half the people live and half of them die.

That's just called luck. I was lucky I didn't get shot because I was in the right places at the right time. Others did get shot, which could have easily been me had I been in their place, but I wasn't. God didn't save me from getting tagged hopping out of my truck... the fact my pack was strapped to the OTHER side of the truck, causing me to get out on that side, did.

It's not God. It's me being lucky up until the point where I'm not so lucky.[/QUOTE]

This is a very deep post. It's going to require some time for a proper comprehensive reply. BRB.

The concept of hell is a concept created by men. Followers of Christianity and Islam invented and fabricated the concept of a burning hell as a way to scare and guilt people in to following their religion.

A permanent and eternal hell is not something that God actually created. It's a manufactured concept created by the two corrupted offshoot sects of Judaism-Christianity and Islam.

[QUOTE=Nick Young]Atheists have a strong belief system. The blind belief in the system of scientists, and science telling them what to believe. Just like in every other religion, atheists decide for themselves how strongly or loosely they wish to cling to their belief system.


[B]Atheism is a religion by every definition of the word.[/B]

You are a follower of a religion bro. Sorry I had to be the one to break it to you.[/QUOTE]

LOL, you really are stupid, you know that? I thought you we're just a dumbass LeBron* fan but holy crap... you're full on retard.

[QUOTE=Overdrive]So that's why those guys bomb themselves away and take lives of hundreds of others at a time? I see.

Wow. What is wrong with you?
[B][U]I'm talking about expressing love towards one's wife, being a good father, becoming a more learned person, using money as best as possible, being charitable. Put on some Tim McGraw's Live like You Were Dying to catch my drift.
[/U][/B]

There is something very very very wrong with your inner being if you actually think by remembering Death, you would assume the thoughts you just did on behalf of a stranger.




That's why alot of atheists and agnostics don't like religious people. I didn't take a challange and I didn't challange you I don't want to convince you, but you seem to want to convince me. I won't change my believes, you won't change yours. Let's just leave it at that. Everything else is useless back and forth.[/QUOTE]

Guess what? If I'm living comfortably, I don't like being reminded that there's poor people starving out there. But guess what. That's a reminder and guidance to do the right decision.

I stand nothing by "convincing" you. If you earnestly seek the Truth in your endeavors, then you're going to have to be honest and weigh out each position and put thought in it. Oh, and the fact that the posts in this thread have even reached your eyes (language itself is a miracle), and has been comprehended (at a time you are going down a dark path, mentally) is not by chance, either.

Pondering on the natural world leads me to believe, deeply, that there is One Creator behind it. This makes sense in all aspects moreso than whatever explanation you can give.

Peace.

[QUOTE=Nick Young]The concept of hell is a concept created by men. Followers of Christianity and Islam invented and fabricated the concept of a burning hell as a way to scare and guilt people in to following their religion.

A permanent and eternal hell is not something that God actually created. It's a manufactured concept created by the two corrupted offshoot sects of Judaism-Christianity and Islam.[/QUOTE]


Nope. It's very real to the major religions before it. All of the religions and stories in even Native American tribes touch base on
a) a tyrant being challenged to make the sun rise from the West
b) The Great Flood
c) Afterlife, both Heaven and Hell
d) Good Thoughts, Good Speech, Good Character

You can be the guy on a sinking ship telling everyone "Everything's gonna be alright," or you can man up, repent, for once be an honest sincere person, and fight against all evils; the evils of deceit and interest as well, and tell people as it is with pure intentions.

Like it or not, the Jewish people, despite being the predecessors have done many things that have earned God's wrath. Perhaps the worst of all is arrogantly disbelieving, rejecting, and plotting against His Last Prophet.

Gehinnom (g'hee-NOHM); Gehenna (g'HEHN-uh)
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahannam[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naraka_(Hinduism[/url])
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naraka_(Buddhism[/url])
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_hell[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duat[/url]

[QUOTE=JEFFERSON MONEY]Pondering on the natural world leads me to believe, deeply, that there is One Creator behind it. This makes sense in all aspects moreso than whatever explanation you can give.

Peace.[/QUOTE]

For you. You're pretty selfcentered for a religious person. Your truth doesn't have to be the ultimate truth. I don't claim mine as such, but you seem to. Why?

[QUOTE=kamil]LOL, you really are stupid, you know that? I thought you we're just a dumbass LeBron* fan but holy crap... you're full on retard.[/QUOTE]
Stupid people often resort to ad-hominem logical fallacy when they get stumped and have nothing else to say.

[QUOTE=kamil]LOL, you really are stupid, you know that? I thought you we're just a dumbass LeBron* fan but holy crap... you're full on retard.[/QUOTE]

The x-ray has two rings too many for a Lebron fan.

[QUOTE=JEFFERSON MONEY]Nope. It's very real to the major religions before it. All of the religions and stories in even Native American tribes touch base on
a) a tyrant being challenged to make the sun rise from the West
b) The Great Flood
c) Afterlife, both Heaven and Hell
d) Good Thoughts, Good Speech, Good Character

You can be the guy on a sinking ship telling everyone "Everything's gonna be alright," or you can man up, repent, for once be an honest sincere person, and fight against all evils; the evils of deceit and interest as well, and tell people as it is with pure intentions.

[B]Like it or not, the Jewish people, despite being the predecessors have done many things that have earned God's wrath. Perhaps the worst of all is arrogantly disbelieving, rejecting, and plotting against His Last Prophet.
[/B]
Gehinnom (g'hee-NOHM); Gehenna (g'HEHN-uh)
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahannam[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naraka_(Hinduism[/url])
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naraka_(Buddhism[/url])
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_hell[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duat[/url][/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

what do you call it if you just dont care. god. no god. doesnt matter to me. that fall under agnostic?

[QUOTE=JEFFERSON MONEY]Nope. It's very real to the major religions before it. All of the religions and stories in even Native American tribes touch base on
a) a tyrant being challenged to make the sun rise from the West
b) The Great Flood
c) Afterlife, both Heaven and Hell
d) Good Thoughts, Good Speech, Good Character

You can be the guy on a sinking ship telling everyone "Everything's gonna be alright," or you can man up, repent, for once be an honest sincere person, and fight against all evils; the evils of deceit and interest as well, and tell people as it is with pure intentions.

[B]Like it or not, the Jewish people, despite being the predecessors have done many things that have earned God's wrath. Perhaps the worst of all is arrogantly disbelieving, rejecting, and plotting against His Last Prophet. [/B]

Gehinnom (g'hee-NOHM); Gehenna (g'HEHN-uh)
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahannam[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naraka_(Hinduism[/url])
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naraka_(Buddhism[/url])
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_hell[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duat[/url][/QUOTE]

:roll:
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPn0KFlbqX8[/url]

[QUOTE=Overdrive]For you. You're pretty selfcentered for a religious person.
Your truth doesn't have to be the ultimate truth. I don't claim mine as such, but you seem to. Why?[/QUOTE]



Is it ultimately true that there is a Creator or not?
Answer that.

Where did the idea of "your" and "my" truth even come from?

[QUOTE=Nick Young]Atheists have a strong belief system. The blind belief in the system of scientists, and science telling them what to believe. Just like in every other religion, atheists decide for themselves how strongly or loosely they wish to cling to their belief system.


[B]Atheism is a religion by every definition of the word.[/B]

You are a follower of a religion bro. Sorry I had to be the one to break it to you.[/QUOTE]
Again, science is not a belief system. It's a description of observations. Pointing out that humans have arms, legs, and a torso is simply the terms they use to dsecribe things that exist. It has nothing to do with beliefs. You can choose not to believe that arms/torsos exist, but it doesn't change the fact that they do.