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Free throw shooting is for girls like Mark Price, aj1987. I'd rather score 100, average 50.4, and own half the record books than be a a geek
with a meaningless extra ring.
3 rings is nothing. It's happened 80 f3cking times in nba history, 50.4 occurred only once!
[QUOTE=Milbuck]In the playoffs:
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JORDAN >>>>>>>> LECHOKE :lol
[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]Did you know that PER is adjusted so that the league average for that season is always set at 15.0?
So Wilt getting a 31.70 PER means he's only twice as good as the average unathletic white stiff in the 60's
LeBron getting a 31.67 PER means he's twice as good as a modern professional elite basketball player.
Now tell me, would you rather be twice as good as this guy:
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Or these guys
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:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
JORDAN = GOAT,LZECHOKE ONLY CAN DREAM :lol
[QUOTE=Big164]Free throw shooting is for girls like Mark Price, aj1987. I'd rather score 100, average 50.4, and own half the record books than be a a geek
with a meaningless extra ring.
[B]3 rings is nothing.[/B] It's happened 80 f3cking times in nba history, 50.4 occurred only once![/QUOTE]
Winning 3 FMVP's has been accomplished by only 5 players in NBA history
[QUOTE=Big164]Free throw shooting is for girls like Mark Price, aj1987. I'd rather score 100, average 50.4, and own half the record books than be a a geek
with a meaningless extra ring.
3 rings is nothing. It's happened 80 f3cking times in nba history, 50.4 occurred only once![/QUOTE]
How many times has 3 FMVP's happened?
How many times has 30 - 22 - 18 happened?
Keep cucking, cuckeryfan.
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]Winning 3 FMVP's has been accomplished by [B]only 5 players [/B]in NBA history[/QUOTE]
There you go celebrating 3rd place and being tied with 4 other men. No one outside of basketball nerds remember most after Jordan. It's first or nothing.
MJ has 6 FMVPs
Russell has 11 rings
Wilt has a 100
Call me when Lebron does something actually noteworthy
[QUOTE=Big164]There you go celebrating 3rd place and being tied with 4 other men. No one outside of basketball nerds remember most after Jordan. It's first or nothing.
MJ has 6 FMVPs
Russell has 11 rings
Wilt has a 100
Call me when Lebron does something actually noteworthy[/QUOTE]
Like winning Cleveland it's first title in 50 years and the first in Cavalier history? Leading the first 3-1 comeback in Finals history? Beating the team with the most wins in NBA history? Becoming the first player in league history to do this
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[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]Like winning Cleveland it's first title in 50 years and the first in Cavalier history? Leading the first 3-1 comeback in Finals history? Beating the team with the most wins in NBA history? Becoming the first player in league history to do this
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[QUOTE=Dray n Klay][B]Wilt Chamberlain's Choking Resume[/B]
[B]1973 NBA Finals[/B]
Lakers had HCA but lost the series in 5 games. Lakers lost by 4 points in Game 2 in which Wilt shot 1-9 from the freethrow line. Wilt put up 5 points in Game 3 which the Lakers lost by 4 points again. In Game 5 Wilt shot 5-14 from the freethrow line. This capped off Wilt's 5th series loss with HCA to end his career.
Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 14-38 (36.8%)
[B]1970 NBA Finals[/B]
Another Game 7 loss for the Lakers. Wilt shot 1-10 from the freethrow in a Game 1 loss. In Game 7 Wilt shot 11 freethrow attempts, only making 1.
Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 23-67 (34.3%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 1-11 (9.1%)
[B]1969 NBA Finals[/B]
Lakers had HCA and were up 2-0 in the series and also 3-2 after Game 5. Lakers managed to lose the next 2 games including a 2 point loss in Game 7 in which Wilt missed 9 freethrows (4-13) while Jerry West put up 42-13-12 and won Finals MVP. Wilt shot 1-5 from the filed and missed 8 freethrows in a Game 6 loss and 1-5 from the field in Game 2. In a pivotal Game 4 Wilt shot 2-11 from the line in a 1-point loss, a win would have gave the Lakers a 3-1 series lead. Boston Celtic Sam Jones outscored Wilt Chamberlain again in Game 7, doing so in all 4 Game 7s.
Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 24-66 (36.4%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 4-13 (30.8%)
[B]1968 Division Finals[/B]
Another HCA series loss for Wilt. Wilt shot 6-21 from the field and missed 15 freethrows in a Game 6 loss. In Game 7, Wilt made 4 field goals and missed 9 freethrows in a 4 point loss. Wilt was the 9th leading scorer and the 5th leading scorer on his own team in that game 7 with 14 points
Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 39-91 (42.9%)
Wilt FT shooting in Game 7: 6-15 (40.0%)
[B]1966 Division Finals[/B]
His Sixers lost to Boston in 5 games. In the elimination Game 5, Wilt missed 17 freethrows (8-25) in a 8 point loss.
Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 28-68 (41.2%)
[B]1965 Division Finals[/B]
Wilt shot 7-21 from the field in a Game 3 loss. The Sixers lost by 1 point in Game 7, Wilt missed 7 freethrows (6-13) in that game. Wilt was once again outscored by Sam Jones in a Game 7.
[B]1964 NBA Finals[/B]
His team lost the series in 5 games. Wilt shot 4-12 from the freethrow line in a Game 1 loss.
Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)
[B]1963 Regular season[/B]
Wilt led his team to a 31-49 record, a record too poor to make the playoffs.
[B]1962 Division Finals[/B]
Coming off his 50.4 ppg season, his PPG in the Playoffs dropped down by 15 points. In Game 7, Wilt was the 4th leading scorer with 22 points in a loss.
Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)
[b]1961 Division Semifinals[/b]
Wilt's Warriors had HCA and were facing the 38-41 Nationals. The result? The sub .500 Nationals swept Wilt's team 3-0. In an elimination Game 3 Wilt shot 7-14 from the freethrow line in a 3-point loss.
Wilt FT shooting for the series: 21-38 (55.3%)
[B]1960 Division Finals[/B]
After a regular season of 38.4 ppg, Wilt followed that up with a 30.5 ppg series in the Division Finals vs. Boston.
Wilt FT shooting for the series: 35-65 (53.8%)[/QUOTE]
I have destroyed this nonsense time-and-again,...
[QUOTE][B]1960 Division Finals[/B]
After a regular season of 38.4 ppg, Wilt followed that up with a 30.5 ppg series in the Division Finals vs. Boston.[/QUOTE]
'60: In Wilt's rookie season he took what had been a LAST PLACE team the year before, to a 49-26 record. In the first round of the playoffs he single-handedly carried that roster to a series win with a 39-23 series, and in the winner-take-all closing game...put up a 53-22 game.
Then, he took a roster, that was man-for-man, badly outclassed, to a game six, two point loss, against a HOF-laden 59-16 Celtics team, in a series in which he averaged 31-27, and on a .500 FG%, in a post-season NBA that shot .402 overall. Oh, and in a must win game five, all he could do was crush Russell with a massive 50-35 game.
[QUOTE][b]1961 Division Semifinals[/b]
Wilt's Warriors had HCA and were facing the 38-41 Nationals. The result? The sub .500 Nationals swept Wilt's team 3-0. In an elimination Game 3 Wilt shot 7-14 from the freethrow line in a 3-point loss.[/QUOTE]
Yep...all Wilt's fault. All he did was hang a 37-23 series, while his teammates collectively shot .332 from the field. But yes, blame Wilt's missed FTs. Amazing how Shaq played on two title teams in which he had Finals of .387 and .292 from the line. Must have been his FT shooting that won those series.
[QUOTE][B]1962 Division Finals[/B]
Coming off his 50.4 ppg season, his PPG in the Playoffs dropped down by 15 points. In Game 7, Wilt was the 4th leading scorer with 22 points in a loss.[/QUOTE]
In the first round of the playoffs, Chamberlain averaged a 37-23, and in the clinching game five do-or-die game, he put up the greatest triple double in playoff history... a 56-35-12 game.
Then Chamberlain dragged essentially the same last place roster that he inherited in his rookie season, but now older and worse, to a game seven, two point loss, in a series in which he averaged 34-27. He also hung two 40+ point games, including one game in which he outscored Russell, 42-9, and outrebounded him, 37-20. In that game seven, newspaper recaps at the time, and opposing Boston players praised Wilt's DEFENSE. And in the last minute, Wilt scored Philly's last five points, to tie the game, but Same Jones hit the game-winner. BTW, the Celtics were favored in EVERY game of that seven game series. Oh, and BTW, Wilt went 8-9 from the LINE in that game seven. Funny how the poster (who actually stole this garbage from some idiot who posted this years ago)...missed that, huh?
[QUOTE][B]1963 Regular season[/B]
Wilt led his team to a 31-49 record, a record too poor to make the playoffs.[/QUOTE]
Yep, and he did so while leading the league in FIFTEEN statistical categories, including...get this... WIN SHARES.
But, more on that in a moment...
[QUOTE][B]1964 NBA Finals[/B]
His team lost the series in 5 games. Wilt shot 4-12 from the freethrow line in a Game 1 loss.
Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)[/QUOTE]
Wilt essentially took that SAME exact roster that went 31-49 the year before, to a 48-32 record. The only addition was rookie Nate Thurmond, who played part-time, out of position, and shot .395 from the field.
In the WDF's, Chamberlain faced the ONLY Western Division foe until the '67 Finals. How did he perform? Put up a 39-23 .559 FG% series (in a post-season NBA that shot .420.) And in the clinching game seven win... a 39-30-10 game.
In the Finals, Wilt's Warriors were outgunned in HOFers, 8-3, which was bad enough. But Wilt's two "HOFers" were rookie Thurmond, a part-timer, and Guy Rodgers, who was the worst shooter of his era. And yes, they lost the series, 4-1, but the last two games were decided in the waning seconds. In those two losses, Chamberlain hung games of 27-38, and 30-27. For the series, Chamberlain outscored Russell, per game, 29-11, outrebounded Russell, per game, 28-25, and outshot Russell from the floor by a .517 to .386 margin (again, in a post-season that shot .420 overall.) Oh, and how did Wilt's two "HOF" teammates do? Thurmond shot .326 from the floor, and Rodgers shot .258. And there are those that claim that LeShrinkage had no help in his '15 Finals. :roll: :roll: :roll:
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[QUOTE]1965 Division Finals
Wilt shot 7-21 from the field in a Game 3 loss. The Sixers lost by 1 point in Game 7, Wilt missed 7 freethrows (6-13) in that game. Wilt was once again outscored by Sam Jones in a Game 7.[/QUOTE]
This is one of my favorites.
Wilt was TRADED at mid-season, to a team that had gone 34-46 the year before, for three players and a boatload of cash. Even with Wilt they only went 40-40.
However, he SINGLE-HANDEDLY destroyed Oscar's stacked 48-32 roster in the first round, which included a clinching performance of 38-26.
Then, he took that massively outgunned roster, to a game seven, one point loss, against a HOF-laden 62-18 Celtics team at the peak of their dynasty. For the series, all Wilt could do was put up the most dominant performance in NBA playoff history...and against the GOAT defensive center in NBA history. Averaged 30.1 ppg, 31.4 rpg, 3.3 apg, had a 25.1 TRB%, blocked 7.0 shots per game, shot .555 from the floor, in a series in which the two teams combined to shoot .413 overall;and had a TS% of .575...in a series in which the two teams combined to shoot a .465 TS%. A staggering full 11 percentage points above the series average.
And how about this? Wilt led BOTH teams in MPG, PPG, RPG, BPG, TRB%, FG%, and TS%.
And in game seven, Wilt scored 30 points, including Philly's last eight points, with 32 rebounds, and on an .800 FG%, and on a phenomenal .724 TS%. His teammates collectively shot 29-75 from the floor (.373) in a one point loss. And if Hondo hadn't stolen the ball, it would have been the greatest upset in NBA playoff history.
As for "once again being outscored by Sam Jones in a game seven"...Jones was a GUARD. BTW, Chamberlain was the leading scorer in these Celtic series in '60, '62, '64, '65, and '66. He also outscored Jones in '67. So Jones was barely able to oustcore Wilt in '68, and then in '69. Enough of the "Jones outscored Wilt in game sevens" nonsense.
[QUOTE]1966 Division Finals
His Sixers lost to Boston in 5 games. In the elimination Game 5, Wilt missed 17 freethrows (8-25) in a 8 point loss.
Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 28-68 (41.2%)[/QUOTE]
In that elimination game, Chamberlain had 46 points (19-34 from the field.) He also shot .509 from the floor in that series, while his teammates collectively shot .352.
For the series, all Chamberlain could do was average 28 ppg, 30 rpg, and shoot .509 from the field.
BTW, Wilt led the NBA in scoring, rebounding, and FG% that season, all while leading his team to the best record in the league.
The poster left out Wilt's '67 post-season, so here goes:
First round, Wilt averages ...get this... 28.0 ppg, 26.5 rpg, 11.0 apg, and on a .617 FG%.
In the EDF's, and against Russell's 60-21 Celtics, Chamberlain destroys the Dynasty in a near sweep. He outscores Russell, per game, 22-11; ourebounds him, per game, 32-23; outassists per game, 10-6; and outshoots him from the field by a .556-.358 margin.
In the clincher, Wilt outscored Russell, 29-4; outrebounded him, 36-21; outshot him from the floor, 10-16 to 2-5; and outassisted him, 13-7. He even found time to record 7 blocks.
In the Finals, Wilt buries Nate Thurmond in Nate's peak season. He outscores him in five of the six games; outrebounds him in five of the six games; outassists him in five of the six games; and outshot him in every game. BTW, he outshot Nate by a .560 to .343 margin. Oh, and a peak Kareem faced Thurmond in three straight post-season series, and shot .486, .428, and .405 against him.
Overall, a 21-29-9 .579 playoff run. And in series in which he annihilated his HOF peers.
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[QUOTE]1968 Division Finals
Another HCA series loss for Wilt. Wilt shot 6-21 from the field and missed 15 freethrows in a Game 6 loss. In Game 7, Wilt made 4 field goals and missed 9 freethrows in a 4 point loss. Wilt was the 9th leading scorer and the 5th leading scorer on his own team in that game 7 with 14 points
Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 39-91 (42.9%)
Wilt FT shooting in Game 7: 6-15 (40.0%)[/QUOTE]
The Sixers were DECIMATED by injuries in that post-season, that they weren't even favored against the Knicks in the first round.
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Chamberlain, himself, was playing with multiple injuries, including a tear in his calf muscle. And again, they were without HOFer Billy Cunningham the entire series.
So here was Wilt playing with injuries that we KNOW that guys like Kareem, LeChoke, and Reed would not have (my god, LeFlop was carried off the floor with MENSTRUAL CRAMPS for cryingoutloud.) Not only that, but Wilt hung a 22-25-7 series.
It was truly amazing that he even played at all, and it was just as amazing that a Sixers roster that was just decimated by injuries and missed games, lost a game seven by four points.
[QUOTE]1969 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA and were up 2-0 in the series and also 3-2 after Game 5. Lakers managed to lose the next 2 games including a 2 point loss in Game 7 in which Wilt missed 9 freethrows (4-13) while Jerry West put up 42-13-12 and won Finals MVP. Wilt shot 1-5 from the filed and missed 8 freethrows in a Game 6 loss and 1-5 from the field in Game 2. In a pivotal Game 4 Wilt shot 2-11 from the line in a 1-point loss, a win would have gave the Lakers a 3-1 series lead. Boston Celtic Sam Jones outscored Wilt Chamberlain again in Game 7, doing so in all 4 Game 7s.
Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 24-66 (36.4%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 4-13 (30.8%)[/QUOTE]
In the game three six point loss, Chamberlain put up a 16-26 game on 55% shooting, while West and Baylor combined to shoot 1-10 from the floor in the 4th quarter.
In that game four loss, Wilt shot 2-11 from the line, while his counterpart Russell, shot 2-12 from the floor. Oh, and how about Baylor in that game? 2-14 from the field, and 1-6 from the line...in a one point loss.
In the game seven, two point loss, all Wilt could do was hang an 18-27-10 triple-double, and on a game high .656 from the floor. West had a .569 TS%, Baylor had a .455 TS%, and Wilt's counterpart Russell put up a 6 pt, 21 reb, .342 TS% game.
But yes, blame Wilt...who, BTW, was not even in the game in the last five minutes, thanks to his incompetent coach, who promptly quit before being fired.
[QUOTE]1970 NBA Finals
Another Game 7 loss for the Lakers. Wilt shot 1-10 from the freethrow in a Game 1 loss. In Game 7 Wilt shot 11 freethrow attempts, only making 1.
Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 23-67 (34.3%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 1-11 (9.1%[/QUOTE]
This is truly laughable. Wilt shredded his knee early in the season, and was playing only four months after major knee surgery.
Not only that, but he was clearly the Lakers best player in that series, despite playing on one leg. He hung the ONLY 20-20 .600 Finals in NBA history (23-24 .625), and in the last two "must win games" had games of 45-27 on 20-27 shooting, and then 21-24 on .625 shooting. Oh, and how did he fare against a one-legged FMVP Reed in the last three games of Finals? He outscored him by an 88-10 margin; outrebounded him by a 71-3 margin; and outshot him from the floor by a 39-55 to 4-10 margin (.708 to .400.)
All this accomplished with a huge underdog 46-36 team that faced a HOF laden 60-22 Knicks team with HCA in the Finals.
As for the "1-11" from the line in game seven...the Lakers were down by 27 points at halftime, and his missed FTs had no bearing on the game. His TEAMMATES poor play, particularly that of an injured Jerry West, who was just slaughtered by Walt Frazier, contributed far more to that rout.
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Poster didn't mention Wilt's '71 post-season. The post-season in which he didn't have his two best teammates, West and Baylor, and was playing only a year after major knee surgery. Wilt led his underdog Lakers past the Bulls in the first round, and then statistically battled a peak Kareem to a draw in the WCF's, albeit in a 4-1 series loss. In fact, Wilt actually outplayed Kareem in three of those five games, and one of the others was a draw.
Nor did he mention Wilt's '72 post-season. Chamberlain led a team that had gone 48-34 the year before, and that then jettisoned Baylor, to a 69-13 record. In the WCF's, and despite being heavily outscored by a peak Kareem, he, by ALL accounts, outplayed KAJ. In fact, Time Magazine went so far as to claim that Wilt DECISIVELY OUTPLAYED Kareem in that series. A shot-jacking Kareem shot .457 from the floor in that series, and in the last four games he could only shoot .414! The Lakers knocked off the defending champions, and effectively ended their dynasty before it ever got going.
Chamberlain then absolutely crushed the Knicks and their five HOFers in the Finals. He put up a 19-23-7 .600 series, and in the clincher and playing the game with one badly sprained wrist, and the other FRACTURED, he hung a 24-29-8 game on 10-14 shooting. Oh, and he did carried "Mr. Clutch" West, who shot a horrific .325 from the floor, to his only ring. Of course Chamberlain won the FMVP.
[QUOTE]1973 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA but lost the series in 5 games. Lakers lost by 4 points in Game 2 in which Wilt shot 1-9 from the freethrow line. Wilt put up 5 points in Game 3 which the Lakers lost by 4 points again. In Game 5 Wilt shot 5-14 from the freethrow line. This capped off Wilt's 5th series loss with HCA to end his career.
Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 14-38 (36.8%)[/QUOTE]
Unlike the '72 Finals, which were dominated by the Lakers, the '73 Finals had all five games decided in the last minute. And with West once again puking all over the floor, including 5-17 from the field in the clinching game loss, and with Hairston nowhere near 100%, the Lakers fell 4-1. In Wilt's last game of his career, he was the only Laker to play well, putting up a 23-21 game on 9-16 from the floor.
There you have it. Quite a choking resume alright.
Here was Wilt "the choker" routinely putting up 30-20 playoff series, and against the likes of Reed, Bellamy, Thurmond, Kareem, and Russell. In his scoring prime, he averaged 33 ppg in his 52 playoff games, 30 of which came against Russell. Remove the Russell games, and he averaged 36 ppg.
He had post-seasons of 22-21-5, 22-29-9, 24-25-7, 28-30, 29-27, 33-26, 35-25, 35-27, and 37-23. He had post-season series of 30-31, 31-27, 34-27, 37-23, 37-23, 39-23, and 39-23. The man averaged 24.5 rpg, and outrebounded the career record holder in ALL EIGHT of their H2H's. He also averaged an NBA record 24.6 rpg in his six Finals. He had back-to-back triple-double post-season series. He outshot his HOF counterparts in his six Finals by a collective margin of .559 to .439...all while badly outrebounding them.
He had must win playoff games of 42, 45, 46, 50, 50, and 56 points.
In his 23 must-win playoff games he averaged 31.1 ppg, 26.4 rpg, 4.4 apg, and on a .540 FG% (in post-seasons that shot .435 in that same span.) Anbd in his 37 must win and series clinching playoff games... 29.5 rpg, 26.3 rpg, 4.2 apg, and on a .546 FG%.
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]Like winning Cleveland it's first title in 50 years and the first in Cavalier history? [B]Leading the first 3-1 comeback in Finals history? Beating the team with the most wins in NBA history[/B]? Becoming the first player in league history to do this
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClYUvAdUYAAiRj9.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
While the Warriors may have set a regular season mark, they proved in the post-season that they were nowhere near a great team. They had five losses before they even made the Finals, and the reality was, the 55 win Thunder outplayed (and outscored) in the WCF's. Hell, OKC slaughtered GS in game's three and four (by margins of 28, with a 37 point lead at the end of quarter 3 in game three, and then 24 points in game four), and you would have been hard-pressed to find anyone in the country who would have given them a chance to win that series.
As for coming back from a 3-1 series deficit...yep, with the Warriors best player suspended in game five, and then with their two other best defensive players injured in games six and seven (with Iguadala hobbled to the point that he looked like Betty White, and with Bogut missing those two games entirely.)
The 73-9 Warriors went 15-9 in the post-season.
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]I have destroyed this nonsense time-and-again,...[/QUOTE]
No, you haven't. All you did was cry like a little bitch because your roided up mental midget of a lover was/is the GOAT choker.
You can cry all you want, but anyone with an inkling of basketball knowledge wouldn't rank him anywhere close to the top 5.
30 - 22 - 18
GOAT choking mental midget and a steroid junkie, who is THE most overrated and overhyped "athlete" in the history of sports.
BTW, the team you consider to be the GOAT team went 11-4 (:roll: WOAT era) and Walker, Jones, Greer, and Cunningham to bail out the retarded mental midget, while he was getting shit on by Barry.
This is how the most athletic Big in 2016 looks next to a 1950s player...
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/oiYNWtq.jpg[/IMG]
Look at 1950's player's Shoulders! How is that possible?:crazysam: