In Basketball terms Michael Jordan is the Sun - Everything revolves around him

If he had stayed retired from 98 he'd have a 31.5 average. And if you want to go further, his second year injury season threw off his averages as well. The Wizards years ****ed both his PPG and efficiency numbers.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]It's 31.5 without the Wizards years. Absolutely no reason to think Jordan's career ppg drops below 30 if he plays full seasons at 31/32[/QUOTE]

He avg 33ppg at 30. It's reasonable to assume anywhere from 30-32 the following seasons and Scottie prob would have had something like his 92 season numbers (21/7/7).

[QUOTE=k0kakw0rld]No way he is still at 30.1 if he did not quit the NBA, for the Baseball minor leagues. :facepalm

This brother skipped 4 seasons in total.

So please, when you come at me with confidence saying things like: "MJ's career ppg is more impressive than LeBron passing him in career total points." think twice before you say it.

Like what the fvck do you mean? :biggums:
Meanwhile others played with injuries throughout their careers. Other never cheated the game, others played 20+ seasons, exhausting their bodies and sacrificing their stats for the better of the future of their franchise.

Players like Duncan, Wilt, Kareem etc...

Look what happened to the Bulls post Jordan :oldlol: His selfish ass screwed them so bad. They haven't reached a final in 20+ years :applause:[/QUOTE]


This is one of the dumber posts in recent memory. If anything Jordan's PPG would be much higher if he did not retire in 1993 and did not come back for the 02 and 03 seasons. Jordan was at the peak of his powers when he retired initially in 93'. He left two all time great seasons on the table. It's easily conceivable that Jordan would have averaged at least 30 ppg in 94 and 95, and probably considerably more. He averaged 32.6 in 93' before his first retirement. After Jordan retired the 2nd time after the 98' season his career scoring average was 31.5. Had Jordan played through the 94 and 95 seasons and not returned for the 02 and 03 seasons as a 38-40 year old his career scoring average would have likely exceeded 32 points per game.

[QUOTE=Phoenix]If he had stayed retired from 98 he'd have a 31.5 average. And if you want to go further, his second year injury season threw off his averages as well. [B]The Wizards years ****ed both his PPG and efficiency numbers.[/B][/QUOTE]
We know that, and that is the reason why my point is valid. So, no I am not going to glorify him for skipping seasons. We can say the same thing for Wilt.
If Wilf would've kept the same mentality that he had starting his NBA career. Which is dominate at all cost. He would've averaged 35 ppg or 40 ppg. Right? :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=k0kakw0rld]We know that, and that is the reason why my point is valid. So, no I am not going to glorify him for skipping seasons. We can say the same thing for Wilt.
If Wilf would've kept the same mentality that he had starting his NBA career. Which is dominate at all cost. He would've averaged 35 ppg or 40 ppg. Right? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

I don't recall glorifying anything. MJ didn't 'need' to come back at 39 except to scratch some competitive itch. For all purposes his career as we knew him ended as a Bull at 35 and 13 seasons. The only thing the 02 and 03 seasons did was extend his career totals but reduced his averages. That's not an excuse, that's simply the reality of what happened and that's the manner in which I made my point.

No-one is debating Wilt couldn't have had a higher average had he retained that same mindset throughout so not sure why you're shrugging as if I made some counter-point to that.

[QUOTE=AngelEyes]This is one of the dumber posts in recent memory. If anything Jordan's PPG would be much higher if he did not retire in 1993 and did not come back for the 02 and 03 seasons. Jordan was at the peak of his powers when he retired initially in 93'. He left two all time great seasons on the table. It's easily conceivable that Jordan would have averaged at least 30 ppg in 94 and 95, and probably considerably more. He averaged 32.6 in 93' before his first retirement. After Jordan retired the 2nd time after the 98' season his career scoring average was 31.5. Had Jordan played through the 94 and 95 seasons and not returned for the 02 and 03 seasons as a 38-40 year old his career scoring average would have likely exceeded 32 points per game.[/QUOTE]
The less years, the better your stats will look like (a la Bird) Larry legend averages 24 ppg 11 rpg 6 apg for a career played only 13 seasons.

[QUOTE=k0kakw0rld]The less years, the better your stats will look like (a la Bird) Larry legend averages 24 ppg 11 rpg 6 apg for a career played only 13 seasons.[/QUOTE]

Jordan sacrificed 2 prime years for two years in his late 30's/early 40's. Had he not done that his averages would be even greater, not worse, that's the point.

Reality is we don't know what the alternate timeline for MJ's career would have been had he not retired in 94 and 3/4 of 95. Maybe he retires in 98 for good because the Bulls dynasty was going to break up anyway, and there's no way he's doing a rebuilding project in 99( at 36 years old) under Tim Floyd and whoever was on the team after its core was gutted.

[QUOTE=Vino24]imagine if Jordan was capable of this :eek:
[IMG]https://pics.me.me/leading-everyone-in-everything-lebron-james-in-nba-finals-finals-11327105.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Wow what a generational talent. The goat :eek:

[QUOTE=AngelEyes]Jordan sacrificed 2 prime years for two years in his late 30's/early 40's. Had he not done that his averages would be even greater, not worse, that's the point.[/QUOTE]
How about when he was 35-36-37? :confusedshrug:

They still don't realize that no one values the opinion of someone who never saw MJ play when discussing whether or not MJ is GOAT.

[QUOTE=k0kakw0rld]How about when he was 35-36-37? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

He turned 35 during the 98' season. He was 35 years old when he hit the game winning jump shot to win his sixth NBA championship.

[QUOTE=Skip_Bayless]They still don't realize that no one values the opinion of someone who never saw MJ play when discussing whether or not MJ is GOAT.[/QUOTE]
So you only watched his era and LeBron's. Just like people who just watched LeBron era. Just like people watched Kareem's and Wilt's era.

So basically how the **** you know Jordan is the GOAT since you haven' paid close attention to other greats era? :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=AngelEyes]He turned 35 during the 98' season. He was 35 years old when he hit the game winning jump shot to win his sixth NBA championship.[/QUOTE]
You know what I am talking about, stop playing dumb.

[QUOTE=k0kakw0rld]You know what I am talking about, stop playing dumb.[/QUOTE]

How about we compare the pace of play from Jordan's second three peat from 96-98 to the pace of play in the 2010's. I wonder how much the increased pace of play of this decade has inflated averages. . .