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[QUOTE=FromDowntown]They both only have 2 Finals MVPs but Bird beat Magic in the finals and Kobe beat Dwight.[/QUOTE]
Kobe beat Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen and Rajon Rondo in one Finals series alone. Not to mention Kobe having the tougher road to the Finals and him going 3 straight with way less talent on his teams. Also, Kobe went 15 - 1 while putting up 29/7/6 at 22 years old. Kobe was also 4 - 1 against Tim Duncan and Gregg Popovich in Playoff series from 01-08.
[QUOTE=FromDowntown]Just about nothing you've said was even true though? Kawhi did not win in his "1st try" he lost in 2013. And Kobe needed a superteam with Shaq and Kawhi needed one with Duncan, Parker, Ginobli so not sure where you are going with your post.[/QUOTE]
kawhi won right away in toronto. Lebron with his superfriends lost in their first try. Kawhi > 3 superstars. Only a dumbass would build around lebron.
[QUOTE=knicksman]kawhi won right away in toronto. Lebron with his superfriends lost in their first try. Kawhi > 3 superstars. Only a dumbass would build around lebron.[/QUOTE]
Shut yo ass up. Lebron made 8 straight finals. Any coach would want to build around him. :roll: :roll: :roll: LeThicc
[QUOTE=Lebron6]Shut yo ass up. Lebron made 8 straight finals. Any coach would want to build around him. :roll: :roll: :roll: LeThicc[/QUOTE]
LeThicc the truthhhhhhhhhh
Miami bran on that LBJ6 squaaaaad up
[QUOTE=ImKobe]So Bird was drafted to a stacked Celtics roster and had 60-win teams for an entire decade and came up with 3 rings. How can you justify ranking him above Kobe?[/QUOTE]
They always had to play an equally if not moreso stacked Lakers team and/or Philly team.
If it was so stacked why did they have a 17 win turnaround from the previous season or whatever it was? They had Cowens and a hobbling Maravich in his last season. I don't deny there was talent but they weren't more stacked than the Lakers and Sixers then. They had to battle Philly each year just to reach the Finals and they usually made it. Bird always did well against the Lakers, by the way, regular season or post.
Bird improved his teammates more than Kobe did, and was a considerably better all-around player except on the defensive end where Kobe exerted more effort than Bird did. Bird could pass the ball like Magic, he could rebound with the best rebounding power forwards of all time, and he's the 4th best shooter we've seen after Steph, Ray and Reggie, Bird's also probably the smartest player to ever play in the NBA, meanwhile Kobe bricked a lot of shots while running isos that didn't work out well due to his inefficiency and ball-stopping efforts and trying to shoot contested shots out of double and triple teams. Kobe was too much of a ball-stopper. The team didn't work well around him.
[QUOTE=Lebron6]Shut yo ass up. Lebron made 8 straight finals. Any coach would want to build around him. :roll: :roll: :roll: LeThicc[/QUOTE]
Sorry. But I only care about rings without superteams.
[QUOTE=And1AllDay]LeThicc the truthhhhhhhhhh
Miami bran on that LBJ6 squaaaaad up[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: These haters mad. Miami bron. AYYYY
[QUOTE=72-10]They always had to play an equally if not moreso stacked Lakers team and/or Philly team.
If it was so stacked why did they have a 17 win turnaround from the previous season or whatever it was? They had Cowens and a hobbling Maravich in his last season. I don't deny there was talent but they weren't more stacked than the Lakers and Sixers then. They had to battle Philly each year just to reach the Finals and they usually made it. Bird always did well against the Lakers, by the way, regular season or post.
Bird improved his teammates more than Kobe did, and was a considerably better all-around player except on the defensive end where Kobe exerted more effort than Bird did. Bird could pass the ball like Magic, he could rebound with the best rebounding power forwards of all time, and he's the 4th best shooter we've seen after Steph, Ray and Reggie, Bird's also probably the smartest player to ever play in the NBA, meanwhile Kobe bricked a lot of shots while running isos that didn't work out well due to his inefficiency and ball-stopping efforts and trying to shoot contested shots out of double and triple teams. Kobe was too much of a ball-stopper. The team didn't work well around him.[/QUOTE]
That's Bullshit. Bird played in a much higher-paced era so his stats are inflated. He had an easier road to the Finals and had a much shorter career. Spurs are the most consistent winning franchsie in league history and Kobe was the best player in all 4 Playoff series wins against them, that alone is better than anything Bird did in the Playoffs.
Kobe played in the toughest defensive era for wing players in the early 2000s . Bird wasn't that efficient relative to his era as you make him out to be, his defensive metrics are way overrated due to the rebounds he got.
You look at those Boston teams and the pace is 100+ pretty much every season during the peak of his career, Kobe averaged 35 ppg with a 90.9 pace. Bird is nowhere near close to Kobe in overall talent or accolades. Kobe at 22 averaged more points for a title run that Bird did in any of his 3 runs with more assists than Bird in 2 out of his 3 and we're talking 10% lower pace.
[QUOTE=ImKobe]That's Bullshit. Bird played in a much higher-paced era so his stats are inflated. He had an easier road to the Finals and had a much shorter career. Spurs are the most consistent winning franchsie in league history and Kobe was the best player in all 4 Playoff series wins against them, that alone is better than anything Bird did in the Playoffs.
Kobe played in the toughest defensive era for wing players in the early 2000s . Bird wasn't that efficient relative to his era as you make him out to be, his defensive metrics are way overrated due to the rebounds he got.
You look at those Boston teams and the pace is 100+ pretty much every season during the peak of his career, Kobe averaged 35 ppg with a 90.9 pace. Bird is nowhere near close to Kobe in overall talent or accolades.[/QUOTE]
:biggums: clownBe only won 2 rings as the man. L on your forehead
[QUOTE=Lebron6]:biggums: clownBe only won 2 rings as the man. L on your forehead[/QUOTE]
Bird was the man in 1981? You give shit for Kobe averaging 15 ppg in the Finals despite being injured in the 1st quarter of a game but Bird averaged 15 ppg while being healthy and 24 years old and playing at a much higher pace which lead to easier baskets.
[QUOTE=Lebron6]:biggums: clownBe only won 2 rings as the man. L on your forehead[/QUOTE]
Why so mad? Is it because kawhi exposed how overrated your boy is?
[QUOTE=ImKobe]That's Bullshit. Bird played in a much higher-paced era so his stats are inflated. He had an easier road to the Finals and had a much shorter career. Spurs are the most consistent winning franchsie in league history and Kobe was the best player in all 4 Playoff series wins against them, that alone is better than anything Bird did in the Playoffs.
Kobe played in the toughest defensive era for wing players in the early 2000s . Bird wasn't that efficient relative to his era as you make him out to be, his defensive metrics are way overrated due to the rebounds he got.
You look at those Boston teams and the pace is 100+ pretty much every season during the peak of his career, Kobe averaged 35 ppg with a 90.9 pace. Bird is nowhere near close to Kobe in overall talent or accolades. Kobe at 22 averaged more points for a title run that Bird did in any of his 3 runs with more assists than Bird in 2 out of his 3 and we're talking 10% lower pace.[/QUOTE]
Bird WAS efficient. One cannot inflate percentages, and Bird shot from distance most of the time, and he shot the lights out from everywhere.
and speaking of 4 Kobe didn't win a darn thing his first four years in the league and he had a prime Shaq on his team all four of those years.
Bird's one of the best passers to lace em up and was very gracious with the ball
Kobe didn't pass much and couldn't pass well
[QUOTE=knicksman]Why so mad? Is it because kawhi exposed how overrated your boy is?[/QUOTE]
LeBron is the best player in the world. Not even a question. Come at me.
:roll: :roll: :roll:
[QUOTE=72-10]Bird WAS efficient. One cannot inflate percentages, and Bird shot from distance most of the time, and he shot the lights out from everywhere.
and speaking of 4 Kobe didn't win a darn thing his first four years in the league and he had a prime Shaq on his team all four of those years.
Bird's one of the best passers to lace em up and was very gracious with the ball
Kobe didn't pass much and couldn't pass well[/QUOTE]
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Bird is better than Kobe.
[QUOTE=72-10]Bird WAS efficient. One cannot inflate percentages, and Bird shot from distance most of the time, and he shot the lights out from everywhere.
and speaking of 4 Kobe didn't win a darn thing his first four years in the league and he had a prime Shaq on his team all four of those years.
Bird's one of the best passers to lace em up and was very gracious with the ball
Kobe didn't pass much and couldn't pass well[/QUOTE]
"shot from distance most of the time" averages less than two threes for his career
Kobe won his first ring in his 4th season at 21 years old and was already the closer and the best defensive player on his team. Bird didn't sniff an NBA game until 22.
Bird's passing is overrated. Kobe led 5 title teams in assists.