Of all major Democrat candidates only Warren & Booker gave more to charity

[QUOTE=Phong;13941669]The irony. :yaohappy:[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Phong;13941670]Charity is a voluntary action. You shouldn't demand or expect people to donate. You should only be grateful if they do so. Stop being entitled. Worry about your own money.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CelticBaller;13941675]Bruh you donÂ’t see the irony in this? :lol[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;13941695]:roll:

Bernie could have used the money from one of his extra houses to make that difference for some other Americans out there.

Who cares what the law is or who else is doing it. If thatÂ’s the rich personÂ’s moral obligation, then WHY DIDNT HE DO IT???[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hawker;13941697]There's always an excuse with these clowns.[/QUOTE]

Governments perform certain essential functions so equating taxes with charitable donations is dumb from the outset. Taxes aren't a moral obligation; they are a legal obligation. Rich people would not be doing society a favor by paying more in taxes and would not deserve gratitude, they would simply be doing their duty.

There may be clowns here but I'd argue it's those who defend the vast percentage of growth over the years going to the top 1%. You can justify it anyway you want but in most other circumstances where someone gets that much advantage by gaming the system, the other people who stand around doing nothing are called fools.

[QUOTE=Stephonit;13941721]Governments perform certain essential functions so equating taxes with charitable donations is dumb from the outset. Taxes aren't a moral obligation; they are a legal obligation. Rich people would not be doing society a favor by paying more in taxes and would not deserve gratitude, they would simply be doing their duty.

There may be clowns here but I'd argue it's those who defend the vast percentage of growth over the years going to the top 1%. You can justify it anyway you want but in most other circumstances where someone gets that much advantage by gaming the system, the other people who stand around doing nothing are called fools.[/QUOTE]


People got rich because they were invested in something that was successful and brought the quality of life up in society.

That’s what they did to earn the money. Do you not understand that?

Medicine and microchips and delivery services dont just spring up naturaly from the ground. Other people created them, invested in them, poured their whole life into them with zero guarantee of a return.

You are petty and jealous and youre trying to disguise it under a moral imperative that others must give you things without their consent and without you offering anything back.

Youre transparent.

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;13941723]People got rich because they were invested in something that was successful and brought the quality of life up in society.

That’s what they did to earn the money. Do you not understand that?

Medicine and microchips and delivery services dont just spring up naturaly from the ground. Other people created them, invested in them, poured their whole life into them with zero guarantee of a return.

You are petty and jeaous and youre trying to disguise it under a moral imperative for others to give you things without their consent and without you offering anything back.

Youre transparent.[/QUOTE]


Society should certainly reward those who create. The question is "how much?" When people who work hard and do everything society has trained them to do still have a hard time making ends meet especially when the economy is supposedly growing then I would argue there is a problem. The economy has grown substantially but most of that created wealth has accrued to a tiny minority. The disparity of incomes and wealth of the bottom from the top is as great as in the Gilded Age. That is the state of affairs. You accept the premise that it is a fair state and the rules that got to this state are fair. Both are open to debate. All of it is subject to renegotiation. Why you seem wedded to the current state of affairs and will not brook modification is something you'll have to explain.

Unless you are in the top bracket of the wealthy the only logical explanation I can see is that you have been brainwashed.

[QUOTE=Hawker;13941697]There's always an excuse with these clowns.[/QUOTE]

Should we get rid of all taxes? I asked you & richieboy this before but never got a reply. I ask again.

Are you in favor of taxes or are you not?

[QUOTE=Stephonit;13941731][B]Society should certainly reward those who create. The question is "how much?" [/B]When people who work hard and do everything society has trained them to do still have a hard time making ends meet especially when the economy is supposedly growing then I would argue there is a problem. The economy has grown substantially but most of that created wealth has accrued to a tiny minority. The disparity of incomes and wealth of the bottom from the top is as great as in the Gilded Age. That is the state of affairs. You accept the premise that it is a fair state and the rules that got to this state are fair. Both are open to debate.[/QUOTE]


The answer has already been given by the success or failure of whatever product or industry. Society has rewarded people like Bezos and Gates and Trump and Sanders with what society overall deems fit. Theyve done this by consuming their product voluntarily at the cost stipulated.

Meanwhile you and some 15-20% of the country are simply trying to horn in and politically strong arm a cut for yourselves.

**** off.

[QUOTE=bladefd;13941733]Should we get rid of all taxes? I asked you & richieboy this before but never got a reply. I ask again.

Are you in favor of taxes or are you not?[/QUOTE]

Flat tax.

Whether it’s income, consumption, whatever.

Everyone should pay the same to the government, because the government is legaly required to treat everyone EQUALLY.

But for you equality is just a buzzword for use when it’s convenient to your personal aims. Otherwise you dont gaf.

Fraud.

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;13941739]The answer has already been given by the success or failure of a whatever product or industry. Society has rewarded people like Bezos and Gates and Trump and Sanders with what society overall deems fit.

Meanwhile you and some 15-20% of the country are simply trying to horn in and politically strong arm a cut for yourselves.

**** off.[/QUOTE]

You are presuming society overall deems it fit. That is actually the question at hand: Is it fit?

Going by your logic you might as well be a peasant in the Dark Ages agreeing to the idea of the Divine Right of Kings.

[QUOTE=Stephonit;13941731]Society should certainly reward those who create. The question is "how much?" When people who work hard and do everything society has trained them to do still have a hard time making ends meet especially when the economy is supposedly growing then I would argue there is a problem. [B]The economy has grown substantially but most of that created wealth has accrued to a tiny minority. The disparity of incomes and wealth of the bottom from the top is as great as in the Gilded Age[/B]. That is the state of affairs. You accept the premise that it is a fair state and the rules that got to this state are fair. Both are open to debate.[/QUOTE]

They don't recognize that fact. Economy has grown exponentially since the late-60s, but only a very small minority at the top has benefited by incomprehensible margins. That's a fact nobody can dispute.

At the same time, that same minority have benefited from massive tax cuts over the decades. That's also a fact nobody can dispute.

It's a double whammy that nobody can dispute.

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;13941745]Flat tax.

Whether it’s income, consumption, whatever.

Everyone should pay the same to the government, because the government is legaly required to treat everyone EQUALLY.

But for you equality is just a buzzword for use when it’s convenient to your personal aims. Otherwise you dont gaf.

Fraud.[/QUOTE]


But the government doesn't treat everyone equally. The benefits the government provides doesn't benefit everyone equally. The owner of a company that has a fleet of trucks transporting merchandise likely uses the roads a whole lot more and benefits a whole lot more from the roads than an individual. You saying they should pay the exact same amount?

The left has no actual specific, coherent principles. It’s just whatever comes to their mind at the moment, so long as it benefits them.

“Fair share!”

[I]Your hero Bernie hasnt offered a fair share.[/I]

“Nah, I mean Bernie doesnt have to, but like... if youre rich... then like you gotta like, give something more.”

[I]How much more?[/I]

“Well it depends on the person, and like, if if I support them poltically I guess.”

[I]Sounds intelligent.[/I]

“JUST PAY UR FAIR SHARE TO ME ASSHOLE!!!!”

[QUOTE=Stephonit;13941751]But the government doesn't treat everyone equally. The benefits the government provides doesn't benefit everyone equally. The owner of a company that has a fleet of trucks transporting merchandise likely uses the roads a whole lot more and benefits a whole lot more from the roads than an individual. You saying they should pay the exact same amount?[/QUOTE]

Yes because if billionaires are paying 10% in taxes we will still be able to afford roads.

Also have you heard of tolls?

[QUOTE=bladefd;13941749]They don't recognize that fact. Economy has grown exponentially since the late-60s, but only a very small minority at the top has benefited by incomprehensible margins. That's a fact nobody can dispute. [/quote] What have you done to earn a share of that wealth?

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;13941754]Yes because if billionaires are still paying 10% in taxes we will be able to afford roads.

Also have you heard of tolls?[/QUOTE]

How do you account for the benefits of education then? The worker who is educated benefits but so does the employer. The employer likely employs multiple workers so the benefit derived is multiplied for the employer. Shouldn't he pay more in tax for the higher benefit derived from the educational system? This is but one other instance. There are multiple other ways billionaires who probably own businesses benefit. Pollution that needs to be cleaned. Tax breaks for setting up a business. Favorable laws that might impinge on other constituents. Etc.

[QUOTE=Phong;13941757]What have you done to earn a share of that wealth?[/QUOTE]



The answer is a fact nobody can dispute.

[QUOTE=Stephonit;13941751]The owner of a company that has a fleet of trucks transporting merchandise likely uses the roads a whole lot more and benefits a whole lot more from the roads than an individual. You saying they should pay the exact same amount?[/QUOTE] That's covered by the gas tax. They drive more, use more fuel, pay more in gas tax. On top of that they pay higher registrations for their trucks, pay weight-mileage taxes, etc..