tbh, they probably did it bc you're a creep
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tbh, they probably did it bc you're a creep
[QUOTE=highwhey;14040830]tbh, they probably did it bc you're a creep[/QUOTE]
:lol
[QUOTE=Shooter;14040820]Wrong.
You ate teetering on "discrimination" now. What about the company forced to bake wedding cakes for the gays when it was their own business and they didnt want to?[/QUOTE]
Sexual orientation is a protected legal class, political orientation isn't. You choose your political orientation, and most people belief your sexual preferences are inherent. Generally protected classes are things you don't choose (Gender, Race) or things specifically mentioned in the Constitution (Religion).
[QUOTE=Cleverness;14040715]Twitter and Google/YouTube are biased against conservative views.
I'm not sure that gov't intervention is going to make things any better; I just wish those publishers/platforms would just come out of the closet and stop pretending they don't have their own political agendas baked into their algorithms and moderators.[/QUOTE]
YouTube is one of the more conservative platforms. A lot of money is spent by right wing groups to get guys like Ben Shapiro advertised and recommended to users.
[QUOTE=ralph_i_el;14040869]Sexual orientation is a protected legal class, political orientation isn't. You choose your political orientation, and most people belief your sexual preferences are inherent. Generally protected classes are things you don't choose (Gender, Race) or things specifically mentioned in the Constitution (Religion).[/QUOTE]
You're missing the point.
Do businesses (bakeries and twitter) get to make their own rules or dont they?
[QUOTE=Shooter;14040874]You're missing the point.
Do businesses (bakeries and twitter) get to make their own rules or dont they?[/QUOTE]
No, you're missing the point. You can't refuse people on the basis of any of those things. Otherwise, you have something like...
Segregation.
Uhh, duh.
On the topic of free market private companies and social media platforms. The reason why all successful social media is left leaning is because....kids! Any extremely successful social media is going to be driven by the younger generation which will always tend to be more liberal. So there will never be a Pepsi to Twitters Coca Cola. (With Pepsi being the platform of the majority of conservatives. The way it all plays out, there isn’t going to be a real rival for twitter and Facebook, there is going to be more biased censorship towards conservative content on these platforms. And the lasting effect of this is our popular culture being gradually accumulated to these views. By these views I mean extreme sensitivity to the point where it’s borderline censorship. Now these values have started permeating throughout our culture and now are turning into the new norm. Now big companies need to follow in step with these values or fear for their financial ruin. Now we have privatized the act of censorship. This doesn’t make it okay. And it’s disingenuous for people to play a “free market, you don’t like it? deal with it” game.
Twitter only did you a favor. That and Facebook are shit. Damn attention whores. Talking to people in real life is often MUCH different.
[QUOTE=warriorfan;14040928]On the topic of free market private companies and social media platforms. The reason why all successful social media is left leaning is because....kids! Any extremely successful social media is going to be driven by the younger generation which will always tend to be more liberal. So there will never be a Pepsi to Twitters Coca Cola. (With Pepsi being the platform of the majority of conservatives. The way it all plays out, there isn’t going to be a real rival for twitter and Facebook, there is going to be more biased censorship towards conservative content on these platforms. And the lasting effect of this is our popular culture being gradually accumulated to these views. By these views I mean extreme sensitivity to the point where it’s borderline censorship. Now these values have started permeating throughout our culture and now are turning into the new norm. Now big companies need to follow in step with these values or fear for their financial ruin. Now we have privatized the act of censorship. This doesn’t make it okay. And it’s disingenuous for people to play a “free market, you don’t like it? deal with it” game.[/QUOTE]
Censorship has always been privatized. That’s the only way it’s ever been legal in the way you mean. It’s the only way it should. The government shouldn’t be telling anyone what they can say within the usual safety limits of terroristic threats and common sense. You come to my platform be it a stage I own or a forum and rant on a subject I don’t like...you can gtfo. And if I come to your church and start telling my beliefs to people not interested they can tell me to gtfo. And that’s exactly how it’s supposed to be. I have no freedom of speech on your property. That’s why hate groups generally schedule rallies on public property the government can’t censor them on and not in say....civic centers who would have the right to deny them(if they choose).
Can you find private companies to host a hate group? Sure. But you damn sure can’t force them. You can force the government to allow you to assemble and talk. The constitution demands it. The constitution doesn’t demand you give your platform be it a room in your house, a stage on your theater, your church, or your website over to people you think are nuts.
You can’t be law and order except on the laws you don’t like. Have a problem with it get up 66 percent of Congress and 38 state houses. But you can’t. The process of making changes on that scale was intentionally made near impossible so only near universally accepted things could get enough support.
Stripping non government properties of the ability to control who can access them? Shiiiiiit.
You would have BLM trolls infiltrating and totally taking out alt right sites in days. ISH would literally be one guy making 200 Lebron topics a day. There would be gore and disgusting shit in every third link on YouTube. You might as well eliminate child protections. If you can’t ban me for being inappropriate on your platform trolls would destroy all internet discussion instead of just some of it.
There are still pro confederate sites where they can peacefully discuss “heritage” because they can ban people who don’t like it. I promise you that shit is trolled into the dust in 45 minutes. And big church forums in some cases. Pro guns sites and forums would be rendered useless by the anti gun people in days.
If you cant ban jerks what’s to stop the left or the right from spamming every opposing group off the internet? Have you any idea how quickly a social media post could get people mobilized to destroy all discussion on a site or forum if people didn’t like you?
Cancel culture would wipe out your fan sites and forums.
You cannot remove the ability to police your online property and keep the internet as a place to talk about anything more interesting than baking. And trolls would eventually destroy that too just for fun. A reddit would be dedicated to “Operation freedom of speech” just to find and render inoperable opposing viewpoints on the internet.
Adding censorship protections online would serve only to legitimize mob censorship the way you think it’s already done but would soon remember today as the golden era.
You would go back to sending emails. Be the only space safe from mobs of cancel culture.
Think about it for a moment and you may realize....
The ability to censor it to your liking and keep the trolls out is what allowed the rise of social media and forums to begin with. Without it trolls and more recently cancel culture would destroy every opposing view and make it impossible for normal people to have a conversation.
Think it’s bad now. Wait till the trolls are unleashed and KNOW you can’t stop them.
It would be the end of all internet discussion.
Censorship is the only way talking to people on the internet works long term. You just take the shit people don’t want on their platform and put it on yours. That’s the only way it works.
Gun nuts get their safe space, the right gets one, and so does the left. The right is just annoyed the free market empowered the left in some ways they don’t like. But with 150 million of them the only reason conservative sites can’t reach that level is them deciding to be part of the lefts existing platforms.
Give one of these right wing sites 90 million users and see how quick Trump gets that to 200 just off opposing trolls wanting to reply to him. Build something.
But they won’t. They keep getting on FB and Twitter empowering them and complaining that they have power over them. If the right lacks the discipline to delete leftist apps and not give sites add revenue they have nobody to blame but themselves for the continued power gap. You don’t need social media. None of us had it till recently.
Stop. Use alternatives till they are viable.
But they won’t. And that’s shows how seriously they really take it.
Get off Facebook and twitter
[QUOTE=coin24;14041053]Get off Facebook and twitter[/QUOTE]
That is exactly the solution.
Its Like those people who come onto ISH and say athletes make too much money as if they can’t figure how they get it when you buy cable packages with their networks, watch their ads, give them crazy internet presence off easily tracked mentions, and get your kids their jersey and shoes. Wheres the money gonna go if not to them?
Having a presence on sites you consider leftist is giving them the power you wish they didn’t abuse. How do adults not figure that out?
Might be 300-500 million international right wingers with internet access worldwide daily. Right wing twitter could become a force. But it isn’t. And there’s nobody to blame but the right wingers too afraid to be briefly reduced in audience for a while as it builds up.
They are part of the same free market giving facebook this power....but complaining how they use it. They have the 2 and 2 but just don’t seem to understand how it’s also 4....
You guys are discipline and a few months from having right wing social media become a force. All it takes is Trump and maybe 50 million of his backers to go and enough liberals would follow just to argue and troll.
Theres your ad revenue to get it serious. Get the best people on the technical side and make it work.
But here we are.
Fighting over space on an internet that has near infinite room to expand.
KBlaze writing novels over here
[QUOTE=Shooter;14040874]You're missing the point.
Do businesses (bakeries and twitter) get to make their own rules or dont they?[/QUOTE]
A bakery or Twitter cannot ban you for being gay, a woman, a Muslim, an 80 year old, or a Croatian. They can ban you for your political opinion. That's literally just the law.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14041072]KBlaze writing novels over here[/QUOTE]
Im quarantined(likely for nothing). By which I mean....
[video=youtube_share;x3Z55yd_frQ]https://youtu.be/x3Z55yd_frQ[/video]
Start your own shit don’t complain what others do with theirs. That’s America.