There have been 9 one term presidents in our countries history...

[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14042652]There have been 45 US presidents in history

Donald Trumps is one of them, with no prior political backround. And he's already accomplished more than Obama did in less than half the time.

Quite the embarrassment that billionaire Trump is[/QUOTE]

YEP he divided the country ,, not many presidents have done THAT

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14042736]will it be the most impressive one though if it doesn't since he is playing opponent + global media?[/QUOTE]

One term donnie can lose the popular vote by 3 million and still win. He also has a professional cheerleading, propaganda machine in fox news. He's playing on easy mode and still losing :lol

[QUOTE=Thorpesaurous;14042678]I'm actually intrigued by what happens if Biden wins, and displays as much mental deficit over four years in the public eye as I suspect he will, will he become the first incumbent not to get the opportunity to run for re-election? Would the Dems be forced to run someone else? Reagan was pretty shot by the end, but in 84 for re-election still was cogent (as I recall), but it was also a different time. A president wasn't forward facing the nation on a near daily basis the way he is now.[/QUOTE]
I am going on an old man hunch , but I bet he puts the country back [U]together.[/U]
Never in my life time of 62 years have I seen a president (trump)separate more people than unit them in our country.
Even GW Bush with his misguided directions , war we didn't need to go into , an economy in the toilet , people losing houses , bank accounts , 401k in the toilet and he still got re-elected... (he was a better president , and that ain't saying much ) and he is still better than Trump.
GET HIM OUT OF THERE

[QUOTE=ThatCoolKid;14042870]One term donnie can lose the popular vote by 3 million and still win. He also has a professional cheerleading, propaganda machine in fox news. He's playing on easy mode and still losing :lol[/QUOTE]

If Trump wins , the brain dead public that voted him in , will not smile watching billionaires become trillionaires

Donny is that bug you just smacked off the wall that's now stuck on its back, writhing around and squirming its legs. You know its finished, it's just a matter of grabbing the paper towel and giving it that final squish.

This November, we're coming with a big 'ol 2 two-ply Brawny paper towel to put lil donny out of his misery for good.

Even if "There have been 9 one term presidents in our countries history...", nothing changes the fact that this nation is fukked up nowadays.

[QUOTE=ThatCoolKid;14042658]I'm just pointing out how embarrassing it will be for One Term Donnie if he loses as the incumbent. This hasn't happened for almost 30 years :lol[/QUOTE]

And how embarassing was it for zero term Hillary to lose the election in 2016?

There have been more democrat voters than republican for some time I believe. The 2018 midterm margin was the greatest ever recorded in sheer number of votes between one party and the other. Its obviously not about who most people actually vote for but as that number expands its gotta get harder to find the nationwide wins when you gotta pull key states out in close races at such a crazy rate....every time. 53% vs 45 in 2018. After getting 3 million more in 2016?

Republican victory now is about keeping people home. Like in 2014 when less people voted in the midterms than any year since 1942(WW2 played a role there). I think Trump fires too many people up to vote. His entire base would vote no matter what.....but they follow his lead in being so generally absurd they motivate the other sides casual voters to get serious. Ive seen people who told me flat out that voting doesnt matter in 2016 doing get out the vote shit just off hating Trump.

Trump and Clinton were both hated which made for a super strong set of alternate party options. This time it seems Trump is hated and Biden is nothinged. Makes the incumbent hill easier to climb when also mixed with the likely advantage in actual American support that seems to be getting wider.

How people keep being shocked there are so many democrats when they got more popular votes all but one presidential election since the 80s is odd to me. There seems to just....be more democrats.

Thats likely why its reflected in the polls. A poll doesnt have to be rigged for you to win when 10 million more people just voted for your side. What I wanna know is if Biden wins will the right go back to acting like Polls still dont matter next time. I remember Limbaugh doing the rigged polls thing about Romney then coming on and saying that apparently they had just lost the country and the polls weren't lying because you cant beat Santa in a country of children looking for handouts.

I guess an upset just gives people a few years of something to point to and not acknowledge any real issues.

Who knows who wins in november....but polls being in favor of Biden when democrats tend to have more voters really shouldnt be shocking.

[QUOTE=Shooter;14043016]And how embarassing was it for zero term Hillary to lose the election in 2016?[/QUOTE]

:lol Hilary by a landslide:roll:

??? There have been far more than 9 1-term Presidents. Depending on how you count, there have been as many as 21. If you mean served one full term, no more, no less, there have been 12.

What's more interesting is that after Jefferson-Madison-Monroe, the country went almost 200 years before consecutive Presidents were elected to two terms, let alone three consecutive two-term Presidents.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14043151]I think Trump fires too many people up to vote. His entire base would vote no matter what[/quote]

Didnt trump lose the popular vote by a large margin in 2016?

He didnt win because he fired up tons of people, he won because he fired up people in the exact right states to win the election (rust belt states that were devastated by trade deals like NAFTA)

[quote]Trump and Clinton were both hated which made for a super strong set of alternate party options. This time it seems Trump is hated and Biden is nothinged. Makes the incumbent hill easier to climb when also mixed with the likely advantage in actual American support that seems to be getting wider.[/quote]

This is true... its hard to hate on a guy like Biden who should be spending his few remaining days on this planet feeding ducks at the pond and eating jello

[quote]How people keep being shocked there are so many democrats when they got more popular votes all but one presidential election since the 80s is odd to me. There seems to just....be more democrats.[/quote]

You do realize that the popular vote doesnt matter in the presidential election, right?

Hopefully we will eventually have a democratic candidate who figures out how elections work

[quote]Thats likely why its reflected in the polls. A poll doesnt have to be rigged for you to win when 10 million more people just voted for your side. What I wanna know is if Biden wins will the right go back to acting like Polls still dont matter next time. I remember Limbaugh doing the rigged polls thing about Romney then coming on and saying that apparently they had just lost the country and the polls weren't lying because you cant beat Santa in a country of children looking for handouts.[/quote]

Biden has been in govt for ~50 years... and in 2020 he is talking about black folks raising their kids properly by using the record player at night. Exactly how do you think he would act as president?

[quote]I guess an upset just gives people a few years of something to point to and not acknowledge any real issues.[/quote]

Funny, because this Bernie Bro thinks that the Obama presidency gave lazy brainless lefties an excuse to go to sleep and ignore the fact that the US increased the number of foreign wars from 2 to 7 during Obamas presidency, and ignore the fact that Obama presided over the largest reduction of black household wealth in US history, and ignore that he reduced Libya from having the highest standard of living in Africa to having open air slave markets, and ignore that he built the cages for children that the left has loved to screech about since Trumps election, and ignore that he personally curated his own "kill list" of foreign terrorists after receiving a nobel peace prize... Anyone who blames Trump supporters of ignoring real issues while ignoring the fact that Obama was one of the most evil presidents this country has seen in recent years is a clueless jabroni.

[quote]Who knows who wins in november....but polls being in favor of Biden when democrats tend to have more voters really shouldnt be shocking.[/QUOTE]

No doubt... anyone who is truly interested in figuring out who is going to win should be looking at polls in swing states

[QUOTE]Didnt trump lose the popular vote by a large margin in 2016?

He didnt win because he fired up tons of people, he won because he fired up people in the exact right states to win the election (rust belt states that were devastated by trade deals like NAFTA)[/QUOTE]


Im talking about passion on each side. Trump voters will vote no matter what. Of course there are less of them....which is why their passion is relevant. There are more democrats in general...but Trump draws from a well of far more passionate support.

[QUOTE]You do realize that the popular vote doesnt matter in the presidential election, right?

Hopefully we will eventually have a democratic candidate who figures out how elections work[/QUOTE]

It matters when we are talking poll numbers and people being surprised democrats have good numbers. Polls dont need to be faked when you have a tangible advantage in numbers.



[QUOTE]Biden has been in govt for ~50 years... and in 2020 he is talking about black folks raising their kids properly by using the record player at night. Exactly how do you think he would act as president?[/QUOTE]

I doubt he has much in the way of new ideas or grand plans. Hes just there to not be trump which...might do it. Its obviously gonna be about building the next one up. But he cant really pick who most of us would want next and keep the electoral math right.

[QUOTE]Funny, because this Bernie Bro thinks that the Obama presidency gave lazy brainless lefties an excuse to go to sleep and ignore the fact that the US increased the number of foreign wars from 2 to 7 during Obamas presidency, and ignore the fact that Obama presided over the largest reduction of black household wealth in US history, and ignore that he reduced Libya from having the highest standard of living in Africa to having open air slave markets, and ignore that he built the cages for children that the left has loved to screech about since Trumps election, and ignore that he personally curated his own "kill list" of foreign terrorists after receiving a nobel peace prize... Anyone who blames Trump supporters of ignoring real issues while ignoring the fact that Obama was one of the most evil presidents this country has seen in recent years is a clueless jabroni.[/QUOTE]

The more thought I give it the less I hold presidents responsible for specific military action. I dont know that I even commented on Trumps Iran issue other than to hope he wasnt starting WW3. There are so many people and so many decisions between some informant saying such and such is gonna do this or that in such and such country next september.....and the commander in chief. They are all slaves to what their intelligence people choose to bring them. Not like a ground level analyst has a line to the white house. The politics, grudges, and so on that have to be accounted for?

Its hard for me to backseat command and say this "terrorist" or that one shouldnt have been killed. You cant be that powerful without giving the go ahead(directly or tacitly) on a lot of lives being lost. Who am I to say this one was ok but that one isnt? Even for Trump im sure thats a tough call every time and im not really sure we have the info to evaluate the calls in retrospect. Major things perhaps. But they are still at the mercy of their advisors to some extent. I think its amazing he said he knew more than the generals about Isis before he was even elected. Thats just being a jackass. But individual moves? I dont know how qualified I am to say if this guy or that one should have been left standing. Im sure neither Obama or Trump pick guys out of a hat for a drone strike. People are on the ground. Someone in an office. Someone is in an embassy. Someone is at the pentagon in a room with a lot of experts deciding how to word the request to the president who just gets the end result and a recommendation from a room with 300 years of experience in it. I dont know how to really judge that from a distance when we are talking like....blowing up this particular truck or that camp you know?


[QUOTE]No doubt... anyone who is truly interested in figuring out who is going to win should be looking at polls in swing states[/QUOTE]


Yea thats the only way. But its still impossible to guess really. Guy I work with is always calling me a pessimist for saying its not impossible Trump wins again. I stopped writing the previous post to show him a 270 map where it could realistically come down to Arizona and Nevada being watched late election night for the whole thing if Trump takes Florida, Ohio, and North Carolina which isnt that unlikely.

Its not gonna be a landslide either way. I dont think he loses Ohio or Florida and that makes for a long interesting night. The people calling landslide on either side are trolls.

Would any of you be shocked if it looks like this some point of election night and we are waiting on Arizona?



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Is that entirely unrealistic?

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14043173]The more thought I give it the less I hold presidents responsible for specific military action. I dont know that I even commentated on Trumps Iran issue other than to hope he wasnt starting WW3. [/quote]

In other words, the more you think about it, the less credit you give to Trump on anti-war issues... an area where his predecessors no doubt had flawless records :oldlol:

[quote]There are so many people and so many decisions between some informant saying such and such is gonna do this or that in such and such country next september.....and the commander in chief. They are all slaves to what their intelligence people choose to bring them. Not like a ground level analyst has a line to the white house. The politics, grudges, and so on that have to be accounted for?[/quote]

LOL...yeah theres no doubt that the politics, grudges, and so-on have been totally accounted for by the official statements of officials

[quote]Its hard for me to backseat command and say this terrorist or that one shouldnt have been killed. You cant be that powerful without giving the go ahead(directly or tacitly) on a lot of lives being lost. Who am I to say this one was ok but that one isnt? Even for Trump im sure thats a tough call every time and im not really sure we have the info to evaluate the calls in retrospect. Major things perhaps. But they are still at the mercy of their advisors to some extent.[/quote]

Are you actually retarded? Or are you just willingly pretending to be?

When was the last time a middle eastern terrorist caused a significant loss of life in the US? Which middle eastern country poses anything remotely resembling a threat to the US? Since when does it make sense to destablize an entire country simply because they are allegedly home to a terrorist or terror group *accused* of attacking the US?

[quote]Yea thats the only way. But its still impossible to guess really. Guy I work with is always calling me a pessimist for saying its not impossible Trump wins again. I stopped writing this post to show him a 270 map where it could realistically come down to Arizona and Nevada being watched late election night for the whole thing if Trump takes Florida, Ohio, and North Carolina which isnt that unlikely.[/quote]

Thank you for making at least one intelligent point in this post. Its definitely possible that Trump wins again, and any libtard pretending otherwise is just sucking their own dong (a favorite pastime for these soyboys)

[quote]Its not gonna be a landslide either way. I dont think he loses Ohio or Florida and that makes for along interesting night. The people calling landslide on either side are trolls.[/QUOTE]

amen :cheers: