Re: LeBron vs. Jordan: Survey Says...
Why do people actually give a shit what ESPN tries to force feed them? "Experts"...Like who? Scottie "change my opinion every 2 months" Pippen? All the other guys who get paid handsome salaries to sit around talking all kinds of foul stuff about athletes?
It's all bullshit. You're allowed to have your own opinion and criteria without being criticized for it. It's only sport. I grew up with MJ but prefer LeBron's style and story. They are both better than each other at certain things and play nothing alike at all. The [B]obsession[/B] with the comparison has always been kind of weird to me, much like the MJ brainwashing that occurred throughout the 80s and 90s. This shouldn't be a daily debate for years on end. One guy hasn't even ended his career yet. How much time are we going to waste on this garbage?
Re: LeBron vs. Jordan: Survey Says...
Jordan didn't have the same team for both 3-peats
Every teammate was different on the 2nd three-peat, except a player that would average 17 on 41% for that three-peat
So that proves MJ could win with anyone
Re: LeBron vs. Jordan: Survey Says...
[QUOTE=3ball;14157308]Jordan didn't have the same team for both 3-peats
Every teammate was different on the 2nd three-peat, except a player that would average 17 on 41% for that three-peat
So that proves MJ could win with anyone[/QUOTE]
Pippen is so bad that he outscored the opposing team's 2nd highest scorer in 5/6 finals.
Re: LeBron vs. Jordan: Survey Says...
[QUOTE=3ball;14157308]Jordan didn't have the same team for both 3-peats
Every teammate was different on the 2nd three-peat, except a player that would average 17 on 41% for that three-peat
So that proves MJ could win with anyone[/QUOTE]
lol
He just chose not to sometimes then. Got it.
Re: LeBron vs. Jordan: Survey Says...
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;14156900]ESPN did a survey of experts. Here are the results (in the order ESPN discussed them).
Tougher era: LeBron 64%, MJ 36%
Better teammate: Pippen 68%, Davis 32%
More accomplishments: LeBron 62%, MJ 38%
Greater accomplishment: 6 rings 72%, 10 finals 28%
Greater accomplishment: Two threepeats with same team 57%, chips with three teams 43%
Higher peak: MJ 82%, LeBron 18%
MJ is...: GOAT 62%, #2 32%, top 5 6%
LeBron is...: GOAT 23%, #2 55%, top 5 21%
Final # of titles for LeBron: Four 17%, Five 70%, Six 13%, Seven+ 0% (Avg. 4.95)
Rings LeBron needs to surpass MJ: Three 15%, four 15%, Five 11%, Six 28%, Seven 15%, LeBron can never surpass MJ 17%
The rings to surpass MJ has 30% putting him ahead of MJ now whereas 23% had LeBron as GOAT. The discrepancy is they included other players in the GOAT discussion.
Per this, if LeBron wins five 41% would put him ahead of MJ. 6 would break the dam and get LeBron to 69%.
Discussion of each question in the full article at [URL]https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30102629/nba-predictions-how-lebron-james-tops-michael-jordan-goat-status[/URL].[/QUOTE]
:pimp:
Re: LeBron vs. Jordan: Survey Says...
Mike needed a perfectly crafted system. He needed it tailor made to win. Mike won because of a system.
He needed to have an elite 2 way player at small forward, No Pip? NO CHIP. He needed the legendary GOAT head coach. He had to play in Chicago. He had to play under no legal zone defense.
Give LBJ the worst front office that hadn't won a championship in 50 years and he will find a way to win. Stick Lebron in Cleveland, Miami, Los Angeles. It doesn't matter. LeBron's number two option star can be a point guard like Kyrie, a shooting guard like Dwayne Wade, or a big man like Anthony Davis. Again, it doesn't matter, he always finds a way to win. And don't forget, Ty Lue is no Phil Jackson.
Michael needed a tailor made, perfectly crafted system to get out of the 1st round.
LeBron just needed a ball.
Re: LeBron vs. Jordan: Survey Says...
[QUOTE=3BallSucks;14157322]Pippen is so bad that he outscored the opposing team's 2nd highest scorer in 5/6 finals.[/QUOTE]
:lol
Re: LeBron vs. Jordan: Survey Says...
[QUOTE=Shooter;14157394]Mike needed a perfectly crafted system. He needed it tailor made to win. Mike won because of a system.
He needed to have an elite 2 way player at small forward, No Pip? NO CHIP. He needed the legendary GOAT head coach. He had to play in Chicago. He had to play under no legal zone defense.
Give LBJ the worst front office that hadn't won a championship in 50 years and he will find a way to win. Stick Lebron in Cleveland, Miami, Los Angeles. It doesn't matter. LeBron's number two option star can be a point guard like Kyrie, a shooting guard like Dwayne Wade, or a big man like Anthony Davis. Again, it doesn't matter, he always finds a way to win. And don't forget, Ty Lue is no Phil Jackson.
Michael needed a tailor made, perfectly crafted system to get out of the 1st round.
LeBron just needed a ball.[/QUOTE]
If Bron just needed a ball, why didn't he stay in Cleveland for the rest of his career?
why keep hopping teams?
Re: LeBron vs. Jordan: Survey Says...
[QUOTE=Bawkish;14157678]If Bron just needed a ball, why didn't he stay in Cleveland for the rest of his career?
why keep hopping teams?[/QUOTE]
he needed the challenge. lakers decade long losing drought, miami dry spell and then 30 year drought cleveland. the hardest road. and he chose them delivering a chip without pip
Re: LeBron vs. Jordan: Survey Says...
[QUOTE=Stanley Kobrick;14157681]he needed the challenge. lakers decade long losing drought, miami dry spell and then 30 year drought cleveland. the hardest road. and he chose them delivering a chip without pip[/QUOTE]
i thought he just needed a ball, no challenge mentioned
i thought Bron could lift teams all by himself, he just needs a ball right?
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[QUOTE=Bawkish;14157684]i thought he just needed a ball, no challenge mentioned
i thought Bron could lift teams all by himself, he just needs a ball right?[/QUOTE]
no pip fo chips
Re: LeBron vs. Jordan: Survey Says...
[QUOTE=Bawkish;14157684]i thought he just needed a ball, no challenge mentioned
i thought Bron could lift teams all by himself, he just needs a ball right?[/QUOTE]
Nope.
He needs to collude with multiple all stars.
No rings without it
Re: LeBron vs. Jordan: Survey Says...
[QUOTE=Shooter;14157394]Mike needed a perfectly crafted system. He needed it tailor made to win. Mike won because of a system.
He needed to have an elite 2 way player at small forward, No Pip? NO CHIP. He needed the legendary GOAT head coach. He had to play in Chicago. He had to play under no legal zone defense.
Give LBJ the worst front office that hadn't won a championship in 50 years and he will find a way to win. Stick Lebron in Cleveland, Miami, Los Angeles. It doesn't matter. LeBron's number two option star can be a point guard like Kyrie, a shooting guard like Dwayne Wade, or a big man like Anthony Davis. Again, it doesn't matter, he always finds a way to win. And don't forget, Ty Lue is no Phil Jackson.
Michael needed a tailor made, perfectly crafted system to get out of the 1st round.
LeBron just needed a ball.[/QUOTE]
Ether