Anyone believe Covid is very serious but at same time the vaccine ain't doing shit?

I dont give a shit if your dumbass doesnt get vaccinated. You being dead or alive means nothing to me.

Read the thread title.

OP said vaccines aint doing shit. Idiot like u agrees. I post evidence proving vaccines do shit. The end.

[QUOTE=Manny98;14432000]I don't give a **** if they work or not

I am not getting vaccinated for something that I am already immune from.

Even if I wasn't immune I am still not getting vaccinated, **** that shit[/QUOTE]


This just highlights the selfishness of the anti vax crowd. They don't care if they infect other people who might be in high risk groups it is all me me me.

But if they get really sick from covid they expect to get the same hospital care as vaccinated patients and they expect someone else to pay the bills.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432094]This just highlights the selfishness of the anti vax crowd. They don't care if they infect other people who might be in high risk groups it is all me me me.

But if they get really sick from covid they expect to get the same hospital care as vaccinated patients and they expect someone else to pay the bills.[/QUOTE]
1. Even if your vaccinated you can still get Covid

2. Even if you're vaccinated you can still infect other people

3. You're protected anyway so why you so worried about other people, you can die from the flu as well don't see you people wanting flu shots mandated, hypocrisy right there

4. I haven't infected anyone, I live with someone who's vaccinated and they test negative everytime

[QUOTE=Manny98;14432100]1. Even if your vaccinated you can still get Covid

2. Even if you're vaccinated you can still infect other people

3. You're protected anyway so why you so worried about other people, you can die from the flu as well don't see you people wanting flu shots mandated, hypocrisy right there

4. I haven't infected anyone, I live with someone who's vaccinated and they test negative everytime[/QUOTE]


Using your logic why would anyone wear a seat belt? After all you can still be killed in a car wreck if you are wearing a seat belt so why wear them?

And of course you want someone else to pay for your hospital stay if you get covid. It is all about your freedom, until you need help.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432104]Using your logic why would anyone wear a seat belt? After all you can still be killed in a car wreck if you are wearing a seat belt so why wear them?

And of course you want someone else to pay for your hospital stay if you get covid. It is all about your freedom, until you need help.[/QUOTE]
Nobody's going to hospital I never get sick

Using your logic we should mandate the flu shot as well, what haven't we, flu kills 100s of thousands a year :confusedshrug:

We should also mandate weight loss programs for obesity since that kills millions a year and puts a strain on the healthcare system which effects everyone

[QUOTE=Manny98;14432107]Nobody's going to hospital I never get sick

Using your logic we should mandate the flu shot as well, what haven't we, flu kills 100s of thousands a year :confusedshrug:

We should also mandate weight loss programs for obesity since that kills millions a year and puts a strain on the healthcare system which effects everyone[/QUOTE]


In some states flu shots are mandatory for health care workers or to go to school. Employers have the right to mandate flu shots but generally just encourage them. Every year i get emails about them and people come to our office to give out the shots. I haven't gotten one though.

However the flu has been around a long time so we have developed some herd immunity to it. It isn't nearly as dangerous as covid. It isn't just the risk of death with covid. It can mess with your lungs.

Jason Tatum got covid. Even after he recovered he was having so much trouble with his breathing that he started using an inhaler. He doesn't have asthma.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432115]In some states flu shots are mandatory for health care workers or to go to school. Employers have the right to mandate flu shots but generally just encourage them. Every year i get emails about them and people come to our office to give out the shots. I haven't gotten one though.

However the flu has been around a long time so we have developed some herd immunity to it. It isn't nearly as dangerous as covid. It isn't just the risk of death with covid. It can mess with your lungs.

Jason Tatum got covid. Even after he recovered he was having so much trouble with his breathing that he started using an inhaler. He doesn't have asthma.[/QUOTE]
Ok and flu cause long term lung damage as well

And COVID-19 is just a more deadly variant of Coranvirus which has been around forever. It's not really a new thing

Who gets to decide what's deadly or not if they can potentially kill people then the vaccines for them should be both mandatory going by your logic

[QUOTE=Manny98;14432122]Ok and flu cause long term lung damage as well

And COVID-19 is just a more deadly variant of Coranvirus which has been around forever. It's not really a new thing

[B]Who gets to decide [/B]what's deadly or not if they can potentially kill people then the vaccines for them should be both mandatory going by your logic[/QUOTE]

Very simple. The people paying the bills are the ones who are going to decide what is mandatory and what isn't.

My cousin told me once about some advice his father gave him before entering the workforce. He said companies are in business to make money for themselves. If you don't like some of the things they do there is nothing you can do about it other than to start your own business. Then you can make the rules.

If you want to work in corporate america you will have to get the vaccine. Companies give no fs about your freedom. If you don't like it go start your own business. Good luck with that.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432104]Using your logic why would anyone wear a seat belt? After all you can still be killed in a car wreck if you are wearing a seat belt so why wear them?

And of course you want someone else to pay for your hospital stay if you get covid. It is all about your freedom, until you need help.[/QUOTE]

If you had a 99.97% chance of surviving a car wreck there would be no mandate for seatbelts and you probably wouldn't bother putting 1 on if it wasn't required by the law.

Also your hospital stay for Covid example doesn't make sense. So if you got lung cancer from smoking, diabetes from bad diet habits, etc you shouldn't expect someone else to pay for your hospital stay either?

[QUOTE=PistonsFan#21;14432142]If you had a 99.97% chance of surviving a car wreck there would be no mandate for seatbelts and you probably wouldn't bother putting 1 on if it wasn't required by the law.

Also your hospital stay for Covid example doesn't make sense. So if you got lung cancer from smoking, diabetes from bad diet habits, etc you shouldn't expect someone else to pay for your hospital stay either?[/QUOTE]


If there was a shot that would significantly reduce smoking addiction, diabetes or obesity then yes it would be mandatory.


[QUOTE]Delta Air Lines (DAL), for example, recently announced [B]that it will begin implementing a $200 monthly surcharge for all unvaccinated employees beginning Nov. 1.[/B]

[B]"The average hospital stay for COVID-19 has cost Delta $50,000 per person," CEO Ed Bastian wrote in a memo.[/B] "This surcharge will be necessary to address the financial risk the decision to not vaccinate is creating for our company. In recent weeks since the rise of the B.1.617.2 variant, [B]all Delta employees who have been hospitalized with COVID were not fully vaccinated .[/B]"[/QUOTE]

[url]https://finance.yahoo.com/news/vaccine-mandates-america-122151333.html[/url]

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432148]If there was a shot that would significantly reduce smoking addiction, diabetes or obesity then yes it would be mandatory.




[url]https://finance.yahoo.com/news/vaccine-mandates-america-122151333.html[/url][/QUOTE]

A shot to reduce diabetes and obesity? How about reducing fast food consumption and focusing on healthier diet habits. People have the choice to order take out meals and buy junk food at grocery stores but they aren't denied treatment if they get sick over the years and it leads to obesity.

There is steroid injections available to significantly reduce your bodyfat %. Where are the mandates for obese people to get them?

[QUOTE=PistonsFan#21;14432157]A shot to reduce diabetes and obesity? How about reducing fast food consumption and focusing on healthier diet habits. People have the choice to order take out meals and buy junk food at grocery stores but they aren't denied treatment if they get sick over the years and it leads to obesity.

There is steroid injections available to significantly reduce your bodyfat %. Where are the mandates for obese people to get them?[/QUOTE]

If the weight loss was significant and took only a few weeks then it probably would be. I doubt that is the case though.:oldlol:

Also fast food companies are making a lot of money from fat people. Who is making money off people who refuse vaccinations, other than hospitals?

[QUOTE=tontoz;14431119]If you think the vaccine isn't doing sh** then you aren't paying attention. The people dying aren't vaccinated. That is why companies are mandating the vaccines, so they don't have to pay the hospital stays.

People are are out and about more now than last year Schools are open. Your reasoning is laughably bad[/QUOTE]

These are the numbers from Indiana:
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Oregon:
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Wisconsin:
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Without the vaccine the deaths would probably be 5x what they are currently because 80% of the countries seniors are fully vaccinated.

^^^^ yeah the evidence is overwhelming. I am going to use those charts in other threads. The ignorance I've seen on here is amazing.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14432148]If there was a shot that would significantly reduce smoking addiction, diabetes or obesity then yes it would be mandatory.




[url]https://finance.yahoo.com/news/vaccine-mandates-america-122151333.html[/url][/QUOTE]
It's called a healthy diet

Let's mandate healthy diets for the obese since we care so much about people's health :rockon: