Florida mother to be evicted from home unless she gets vaccinated

[QUOTE=diamenz;14439766]this is what i don't get. the unvaccinated are not hurting the vaccinated. vaccinations don't stop spread, they solely prevent severe illness & death. [B]covid19 is endemic[/B]. where the F** are we going with all of this foolery? seriously, can someone help me out as to why it's so important for everybody else beside yourself to get vaccinated?[/QUOTE]

We tried asking similar questions to the vaccine salesmen (8ball, tontoz), but they couldn't come up with an answer.

[QUOTE=Cleverness;14433355]The bolded statement does not answer the basic questions I presented and it needs context. See this post here for more details: [url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497308-Anyone-believe-Covid-is-very-serious-but-at-same-time-the-vaccine-ain-t-doing-shit&p=14432305&viewfull=1#post14432305[/url]

Anyways, the basic questions I asked were never answered. I'll try again.

1) What is the absolute risk reduction for hospitalization/death after becoming fully vaccinated? You can break it down by age groups.

[B]2a) Suppose the unvaccinated (group A) are forced to become vaccinated. How many from group A would have to become vaccinated to save 1 life from the group that voluntarily chose to become vaccinated (group B)? And over what timeframe?

2b) Suppose forcing person A to be injected with a drug reduced the chances of person B to die by 0.001% over the course of 12 months. Would it be worth it to force person A to be injected? At what point would it be worth it?[/B]

3 & 4 are more directed at Tontoz for his absurd claims, but I'll list them again in case you happen to agree with his narrative regarding "overwhelmed hospitals" due to covid and the necessity to force masking and social distancing:

3a) How many infections did school closures prevent from March 2020 to June 2021?

3b) How many infections have masks prevented so far, or through June 2021?

4) There are 3,006 counties and 50 states in the US. How many counties & states had overwhelmed hospitals due to Covid-19 in 2020? 2021? Let's take a look at the data.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14440001]Of course he does.

We know this isn't against the law.

I'm asking you if you think that sets a healthy precedent.

Stop dodging the question by making it about a woman who does not want to be vaccinated, something half the country doesn't want to. Thats a non-story.

Maybe you can't relate, but most people won't change their belief just because they're given a hard choice.[/QUOTE]


Absolutely. I am totally on the landlord's side here. He owns the place. In theory he should be able to mandate vaccines which have been proven to save lives.

However after searching for relevant info I am not sure it would stand up to legal challenge. I can't find anything concrete.

There were a lot of people who didn't want to wear seatbelts either when they first became available even though they were proven to save lives. Wearing a seatbelt only protects you. People complained about their freedom. Govt finally said F your freedom and made them mandatory.

Of course even now there are people dying because they didn't wear their seatbelt.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14440024]Absolutely.[B] I am totally on the landlord's side here. He owns the place. In theory he should be able to mandate vaccines which have been proven to save lives.[/B]

However after searching for relevant info I am not sure it would stand up to legal challenge. I can't find anything concrete.

There were a lot of people who didn't want to wear seatbelts either when they first became available even though they were proven to save lives. Wearing a seatbelt only protects you. [B]People complained about their freedom. Govt finally said F your freedom and made them mandatory.[/B]

Of course even now there are people dying because they didn't wear their seatbelt.[/QUOTE]


So which of these is right and which is wrong? Individual liberty or government intervention?

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;14440030]So which of these is right and which is wrong? Individual liberty or government intervention?[/QUOTE]


Neither is really the issue. They key issue is the collective good which can take priority over individual liberties.

It is really pathetic all the pansies complaining about mandatory vaccines. There used to be a draft in this country. Once a guy turned 18 his name went into the hat and if his number came up he went into the military. His rights didn't mean jack sh**.

A lot of those guys never came home, hundreds of thousands were killed. I wonder what they would think about these babies complaining about mandatory vaccines.

Back to the topic I texted my cousin about the OP. He owns several rental properties. FWIW he says he doesn't think a landlord would be able to mandate vaccines. He didn't elaborate though.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14440036]Neither is really the issue. [B]They key issue is the collective good which can take priority over individual liberties.[/B]

It is really pathetic all the pansies complaining about mandatory vaccines. There used to be a draft in this country. Once a guy turned 18 his name went into the hat and if his number came up he went into the military. His rights didn't mean jack sh**.

A lot of those guys never came home, hundreds of thousands were killed. I wonder what they would think about these babies complaining about mandatory vaccines.

Back to the topic I texted my cousin about the OP. He owns several rental properties. FWIW he says he doesn't think a landlord would be able to mandate vaccines. He didn't elaborate though.[/QUOTE]

One could easily argue civil liberties are in the interest of the public good. That's the whole reason America came to exist, right? No central authority dictating our lifestyle and medical decisions with an iron fist, the way a place like Iran would. Dictatorship and oppression are human history and human tendency. Civil liberties are rare, and fragile. One can argue it's MORE important for the old/vulnerable to simply take extra precaution, than give such sweeping authority to partisan interests. Old people die sometimes. It sucks, and we dont like it to happen. But do we sacrifice the basic principles that uphold western democracy to keep an extra 3% of the elderly population alive?

In any case, "public good" isnt really for you to decide on a whim or based on partisan loyalties. The question is should the government decide or should individuals decide? You seem to switch your position based on who's taking the side you prefer. That's not consistent.

Also, as far as seatbelts... it's not the law that keeps most people wearing them. It's the obvious impact on surviving an accident. Speeding is also illegal, but people do that all the time. In the end it isn't the laws saving lives, it's common sense. People should also be able to exercise that when it comes to Covid. But you believe it's the place of special interests to decide for them it seems.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14439811]Where are all these stories? I don't recall seeing you post any.

If every state had a vaccination rate of 70% then things would be more normal. Idaho wouldn't have to ration healthcare for staters.[/QUOTE]
I have posted like 50 different articles of people suffering serious side effects/deaths in the other thread

Come on now, you still going to act oblivious to the fact that people are dying from these injections :facepalm

Obviously it's a very low chance but it's happening and for some people you're better off taking your chances with Covid (99.9% survival rate for under 50s) than getting the vaccine

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In any case, "public good" isnt really for you to decide on a whim or based on partisan loyalties. The question is should the government decide or should individuals decid

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I never said it was for me to decide. In the case of a national emergency the government can decide to put the collective good ahead of civil liberties.

The govt could reinstitute the draft whenever they want. All it takes is an act of Congress and those young guys whining about vaccines would forget about the vaccine in a hurry.


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Also, as far as seatbelts... it's not the law that keeps most people wearing them. It's the obvious impact on surviving an accident.

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If that was the case they wouldn't have to make them mandatory. The reason they made them mandatory is because a lot of people didn't wear them. They didn't like the govt infringing on their right to become a human meat missile. Too many people were getting seriously hurt or killed because they weren't wearing their seatbelt.

So now you get fined if you are caught not wearing one.

A global pandemic of this scale clearly qualifies as a national emergency. Just be glad you don't live in Australia. They are really putting the hammer down.

Luckily I live in a country where vaccines aren't being forced onto people, haven't touched a mask since March

Feel bad for the women, where's BLM when you need them :facepalm

[QUOTE=Manny98;14440055]I have posted like 50 different articles of people suffering serious side effects/deaths in the other thread

Come on now, you still going to act oblivious to the fact that people are dying from these injections :facepalm

Obviously it's a very low chance but it's happening and for some people you're better off taking your chances with Covid (99.9% survival rate for under 50s) than getting the vaccine[/QUOTE]


I've seen your articles. :oldlol:

You are a sucker for mindless propaganda. You abandoned them quickly when I pointed out the obvious flaws with them.

Then you turn around and say you aren't getting the vaccine because you are young and healthy. If that is the case then what is up with the mindless anti vax nonsense?

Do you want to post those SHOCKING articles again so I can debunk them again?

I'm the sucker for mindless propaganda?

You're literally posting blatantly fake propaganda articles talking about gunshot victims lining up outside of hospitals because they're being filled with Ivectimin overdosers :oldlol:

Come on now, admittedly some of my articles that I posted was probably fake anti vax propaganda but a lot of them were from credible sources/studies which have shown that they're side effects from these vaccines (Particularly the Pfizer vaccine) that we should be concerned about

[QUOTE=Manny98;14440070]I'm the sucker for mindless propaganda?

You're literally posting blatantly fake propaganda articles talking about gunshot victims lining up outside of hospitals because they're being filled with Ivectimin overdosers :oldlol:

Come on now, admittedly some of my articles that I posted was probably fake anti vax propaganda but a lot of them were from credible sources/studies which have shown that they're side effects from these vaccines (Particularly the Pfizer vaccine) that we should be concerned about[/QUOTE]


Which one of them was credible?

I already abandoned the OK ivermectin overdose story. Still no names of the victims so it certainly seems bogus.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14440060]

If that was the case they wouldn't have to make them mandatory. The reason they made them mandatory is because a lot of people didn't wear them. [B]They didn't like the govt infringing on their right to become a human meat missile. Too many people were getting seriously hurt or killed because they weren't wearing their seatbelt.

So now you get fined if you are caught not wearing one.[/B]

A global pandemic of this scale clearly qualifies as a national emergency. Just be glad you don't live in Australia. They are really putting the hammer down.[/QUOTE]


There are fines for speeding, and fines for seatbelts. Way more people end up in court for speeding tickets than seatbelt tickets. This would indicate the public is not making their decisions based on the fine, but rather on the risk.

Anyway, you may continue being a fear monger for Big Government. Clearly none of us are going to convince the other to see things differently. Only thing I can say is I would imagine you must have some vested personal interest that motivates your position. Either Pharmaceutical holdings, or an internship with a Congressperson, or some kind of profitable reason youre on the side of special interest authoritarian fear mongers. If youre legitimately this hysterical about cheering on corrupt politicans and corporate exploitation with nothing of your own being gained... thatd be a pretty sad situation. Then youre basically R3 and bladefd etc. Guys who know one side will never care about them, and have to convince themselves to believe the BS the other side uses to pretend to care about them. Youre either acting in self interest from a position of strength, or youre weak and must cuck yourself to an imaginary rescuer. Because you definitely are not some beacon of altruism genuinely consumed with this degree of concern for public health. People who are putting on the kind of show you have the past few weeks are either covert profiteers or overcompensating posers trying to virtue signal their worthiness to the mainstream collective.

It’s one or the other big boy. You dont have to tell us which one. But we know it’s one of them. And theres no point in arguing the subject any further.

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;14440084]There are fines for speeding, and fines for seatbelts. Way more people end up in court for speeding tickets than seatbelt tickets. This would indicate the public is not making their decisions based on the fine, but rather on the risk.

Anyway, you may continue on being a fear monger for Big Government. Clearly none of us are going to convince the other to see things differently. Only thing I can say is I would imagine you must have some vested personal interest that motivates your position. Either Pharmaceutical holdings, or an internship with with a Congressperson, or some kind of profitable reason youre on the side of special interest authoritarian fear mongers. If youre legitimately this hysterical about cheering on corrupt politicans and corporate exploitation with nothing of your own being gained... thatd be a pretty sad situation. Then youre basically R3 and bladefd etc. Guys who know one side will never care about them, and have to convince themselves to believe the BS the other side uses to pretend to care about them. Youre either acting in self interest from a position of strength, or youre weak and must cuck yourself to an imaginary rescuer. Because you definitely are not a beacon of altruism who is genuinely consumed with this degree of concern for public health. People who are putting on the kind of show you have the past few weeks are either covert profiteers or overcompensating posers trying to virtue signaling their worthiness of mainstream acceptance.

It’s one or the other big boy. You dont have to tell us which one. But we know it’s one of them. And theres no point in arguing the subject any further.[/QUOTE]


Right, it can't possibly be that I know people who work in healthcare, or that I am concerned about hospitals being forced to ration care. Overworked nurses are quiting in droves while you opine about big pharma.

Go stick your nose back up Lebron's ass where it belongs and stop pretending like you have a clue.

Hardcore Nazi tactics. Can't work, buy, sell, or even have a home without showing your papers and giving up all bodily autonamy for rushed unstudied government mandated injections. Unbelievable tio. What can we do?

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14439891]Scary to think people like tontoz exist[/QUOTE]

Yup... hardcore vax Nazi. Dude literally spends all day fear mongering. Total piece of shit.