B.1.1.529?

[QUOTE=diamenz;14484704]alright, then i'll quote [B]that[/B] article.



The cdc are going to push the vaccines, period. in this case, they're doing it as a precautionary.

bro, i get it - i don't like it either. pharmaceutical companies are milking this for all it's worth and the government along with the media are enabling them, but back to the original point... the vaccines don't prevent spread & infection, so the fact that the vaccinated are [B]catching[/B] omicron doesn't mean shit. it does not mean the vaccines aren't doing their job in preventing and/or lowering the probability of serious illness and death. the [I][B]effectiveness[/B][/I] of that is of course up for debate.[/QUOTE]

It means everything. If you don't know the effectiveness, then don't push for a vaccine that has a chance to turn out to be useless.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;14484607]The vaccine doesn't stop cases it only stops deaths.[/QUOTE]

Hmm, are there any RCTs that have shown a statistically significant difference in deaths? theman93 actually posted about the Pfizer trial that showed no statistically significant difference in deaths between the vaccine and placebo groups.

[QUOTE=theman93;14409096]15 patients who received the vaccine died; 14 who received the placebo died.[/QUOTE]

baudkarma, who has claimed outrageous things in the past, posted in the thread. Unfortunately he (once again) abandoned the thread when he was asked to back up his claims. :(
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496379-Pfizer-vaccine-clinical-trial-shows-it-does-nothing-to-reduce-overall-risk-of-death&p=14410653&viewfull=1#post14410653[/url]

Trump's travel restrictions for Covid-19 began in January 2020. Biden kept them going.

Does anyone know how many Covid-19 infections Trump/Biden's travel restrictions have prevented so far in the US? (Any recent studies and/or estimates?)

Yes.

[QUOTE=theman93;14484709]It means everything. If you don't know the effectiveness, then don't push for a vaccine that has a chance to turn out to be useless.[/QUOTE]
:roll:

Without the existence of these vaccines, there's a big chance that the world economy would have been in a complete standstill until now.

[QUOTE=Axe;14485025]:roll:

Without the existence of these vaccines, there's a big chance that the world economy would have been in a complete standstill until now.[/QUOTE]

You mean the Operation Warp Speed Mr. Donald Trump vaccines?

[QUOTE=Cleverness;14484794]Hmm, are there any RCTs that have shown a statistically significant difference in deaths? theman93 actually posted about the Pfizer trial that showed no statistically significant difference in deaths between the vaccine and placebo groups.



baudkarma, who has claimed outrageous things in the past, posted in the thread. Unfortunately he (once again) abandoned the thread when he was asked to back up his claims. :(
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496379-Pfizer-vaccine-clinical-trial-shows-it-does-nothing-to-reduce-overall-risk-of-death&p=14410653&viewfull=1#post14410653[/url][/QUOTE]

There has been an UPDATE***** to this study.

21 patients who received the vaccine died, not 15.

[url]https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/fda-quietly-discloses-that-21-not-15-people-died-during-pfizers-jab-trials/[/url]

[QUOTE=Axe;14485025]:roll:

Without the existence of these vaccines, there's a big chance that the world economy would have been in a complete standstill until now.[/QUOTE]

Nah.

But since you believe that you should be thanking Donald Trump for saving the world. :lol

[QUOTE=AKA_AAP;14485043]You mean covid happened under Mr. Donald Trump?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=theman93;14485220]Nah.

But since you believe that you should be cursing Donald Trump's administration for causing the pandemic. :lol[/QUOTE]
Ftfy guys :roll:

[QUOTE=theman93;14485219]There has been an UPDATE***** to this study.

21 patients who received the vaccine died, not 15.

[url]https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/fda-quietly-discloses-that-21-not-15-people-died-during-pfizers-jab-trials/[/url][/QUOTE]

Wow. Thanks for the update. diamenz, you seeing this?

It would be nice if we had a Covid "vaccine" with an RCT showing a reduction in death & hospitalization, but I can't find one.

[QUOTE=theman93;14485220]Nah.

But since you believe that you should be thanking Donald Trump for saving the world. :lol[/QUOTE]

Trump told Axe to social distance, wear masks, and get the vaccine... Axe took his advice literally and has been preaching it on this forum quite a bit as of late... we shouldn't be surprised to know that Axe is a big fan of Trump and Trump's Covid-19 team.

[QUOTE=Cleverness;14485331]Wow. Thanks for the update. diamenz, you seeing this?

It would be nice if we had a Covid "vaccine" with an RCT showing a reduction in death & hospitalization, but I can't find one.[/QUOTE]

discouraging... personally especially. i like to think my parents (77 & 78) are safer with the jab. now, not so much...

[QUOTE]Despite a group of doctors and academics filing a lawsuit to obtain the FDA’s complete data profile of the Pfizer jab, the agency suspiciously denied the request for transparency and asked a judge to [b]delay the release of the data until the year 2076, some 55 years after the FDA gave the green light to roll out the experimental shots to millions of people in the country.[/B] [/QUOTE]

hmm...?

[QUOTE=Cleverness;14485334]Trump told Axe to social distance, wear masks, and get the vaccine... Axe took his advice literally and has been preaching it on this forum quite a bit as of late... we shouldn't be surprised to know that Axe is a big fan of Trump and Trump's Covid-19 team.[/QUOTE]

:roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=diamenz;14485358]discouraging... personally especially. i like to think my parents (77 & 78) are safer with the jab. now, not so much...



hmm...?[/QUOTE]

As I've said on here a few times, I *think* the jab would be good for elderly folk who haven't already had Covid, but

- I don't know. it's based on anecdotes and limited data.
- their effectiveness is massively overrated and quite frankly, unknown at this point because we don't have any solid trials (that I know of) showing a reduction in hospitalization & death.

We know that many people are classified as a Covid hospitalization even though they may have already been in the hospital otherwise. This helps explain why hospitalizations are way below what they were in 2018 & 2019 vs 2020. Check this link out... [url]https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/COVIDNet/COVID19_5.html[/url] ... shows 29.2% Covid hospitalizations with Pregnancy as an underlying medical condition... begs the question... how many of these women would have been to the hospital regardless of Covid? Perhaps they were delivering a baby and caught a cold (Covid) in the hospital during their stay or some routine procedure and happened to test positive...? who knows... :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=Cleverness;14485369]As I've said on here a few times, I *think* the jab would be good for elderly folk who haven't already had Covid, but

- I don't know. it's based on anecdotes and limited data.
- their effectiveness is massively overrated and quite frankly, unknown at this point because we don't have any solid trials (that I know of) showing a reduction in hospitalization & death.

We know that many people are classified as a Covid hospitalization even though they may have already been in the hospital otherwise. This helps explain why hospitalizations are way below what they were in 2018 & 2019 vs 2020. Check this link out... [url]https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/COVIDNet/COVID19_5.html[/url] ... shows 29.2% Covid hospitalizations with Pregnancy as an underlying medical condition... begs the question... how many of these women would have been to the hospital regardless of Covid? Perhaps they were delivering a baby and caught a cold (Covid) in the hospital during their stay or some routine procedure and happened to test positive...? who knows... :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

This could help provide some answers

[url]https://beckernews.com/new-covid-policies-failed-proof-43258/[/url]