The US blew up Russia's pipeline.

I don't care about media narratives. I also don't care if the US did it or not. Again, to me Biden supplying the Ukraine with billions of dollars and weapons is more "hostile" from the Russian perspective. If it is shown that the US did then I am accepting of that.

I do not agree that it couldn't be public knowledge when we have already seen Biden threaten the attack. And I also find it hard to believe that the US would conduct this attack without consulting various EU leaders and making sure that all are on the same page. Instead you have all out denials and pretty much everyone from the west wanting to conduct investigations of the attack. If the US did do this then they would know that Russia and Putin know it and there would be no reason to conduct a fake investigation.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;14667382]I don't care about media narratives. I also don't care if the US did it or not. Again, to me Biden supplying the Ukraine with billions of dollars and weapons is more "hostile" from the Russian perspective. If it is shown that the US did then I am accepting of that. [/QUOTE]

It's not about media narrative, but about what's official between countries.
Blowing up the energy infrastructure of another country is an act of war. E.g if Russia blew up part of the strategic oil reserves of the US, that would be an act of war as well, wouldn't you agree?

I do agree with you that running a proxy war by sending weapons is very hostile as well(which is why I never supported it), but the US and the rest of the Western leaders made the determination that that's OK, but the line they can't cross is to be an active participant.

[QUOTE]I do not agree that it couldn't be public knowledge when we have already seen Biden threaten the attack. And I also find it hard to believe that the US would conduct this attack without consulting various EU leaders and making sure that all are on the same page.[/QUOTE]

Again, it's an active act of war to blow up energy infrastructure like this and it something the Western leaders themselves said was a line they would not cross.

The US government does things, including covert operations, that benefits itself on the behalf of others, including allies. That precedence has already been set over many many years.
E.g do you remember when all the Western countries were supposed to negotiate and come to terms on a new climate agreement, "for the betterment of the entire world"? Well it turned out Obama ordered an operation to spy on the rest of the Western leaders and tapping their communications so the deal could be worked out favorably for the US government. We'd never have know about this though if it wasn't for Wikileaks, which has since been associated with Russa and shut down.

[QUOTE]Instead you have all out denials and pretty much everyone from the west wanting to conduct investigations of the attack. If the US did do this then they would know that Russia and Putin know it and there would be no reason to conduct a fake investigation.[/QUOTE]

Everyone in the west wanting to conduct investigations on the attack? The US has said it supports an investigation "into the sabotage", they've not sent any equipment nor is it being treated as an act of war from it's end.

[URL="https://www.businessinsider.com/nordstream-pipelines-gas-leak-apparent-sabotage-us-involvement-2022-9"]https://www.businessinsider.com/nordstream-pipelines-gas-leak-apparent-sabotage-us-involvement-2022-9[/URL]

[QUOTE]
Nord Stream 2 AG, Switzerland-based operator of that gas pipeline, said on Tuesday it will examine the condition of the leaking pipelines once a police investigation of the "crime scene" is completed and a cordon is lifted.
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[URL="https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/nord-stream-2-says-it-plans-examine-pipelines-after-police-probe-2022-10-04/"]https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/nord-stream-2-says-it-plans-examine-pipelines-after-police-probe-2022-10-04/[/URL]

Swedish police finished their investigation today, concluding that there was "gross sabotage", so now the actual operator can apply for permits to inspect damages themselves.

[QUOTE]A crime scene investigation of the Nord Stream 1 and 2 gas pipelines from Russia to Europe has strengthened suspicions of “gross sabotage” involving detonations, Sweden’s Security Service said on Thursday.

Swedish and Danish authorities have been investigating four leaks from the pipelines in Swedish and Danish exclusive economic zones in the Baltic Sea since they were first spotted at the beginning of last week.[/QUOTE]

[URL="https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/article-investigation-of-nord-stream-gas-pipeline-leak-site-finds-evidence-of/"]https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/article-investigation-of-nord-stream-gas-pipeline-leak-site-finds-evidence-of/[/URL]

I heard that it could be Poland or one of the Baltic states that did it since they were the ones who opposed Nord stream 2. They knew the leverage Russia would get and they are terrified of Russia, rightfully so.

[QUOTE=Akeem34TheDream;14667447]I heard that it could be Poland or one of the Baltic states that did it since they were the ones who opposed Nord stream 2. They knew the leverage Russia would get and they are terrified of Russia, rightfully so.[/QUOTE]
It's a bad look for Biden because when Biden threatened to blow up Nord stream months ago what he actually did was open the door for someone else to do it in his name. And now he is scrambling trying to prove it wasn't him.

Although I do not think many in the public will understand the reality of that.

I see what's wrong with Off the Court. He honestly thinks that these politicians are actual nice people who are trying their hardest to do what's best for all. When Biden said that there will be no more Nord Stream Pipeline, that he promises he will put an end to it. He couldn't possibly mean it because he's such a sweet man, really looking out for the well being of all living things. And he's certainly not senile, so it couldn't have been a slip of actual plans.

Those in power in the US wouldn't screw Europe like that, because they're allies, friends, all involved are really trying to makes this a better world. For you and for me.

[video=youtube_share;BWf-eARnf6U]https://youtu.be/BWf-eARnf6U[/video]

The European Market belongs to the US. All the money and profits made through trade with this very wealthy economic zone are dominated by America.

The US will not simply let Russia start doing business with the EU. Especially the very profitable energy business. American interests lose profits and Russia becomes stronger and stronger. This simply cannot be allowed to happen. Angela Merkel was a great leader for Germany. She realized that Germany needed that Russian gas and, against the wishes of the US, initiated discussions with the Russians and this allowed the Pipelines to be constructed. The US was against it the whole way. The current leader of Germany is a spineless wimp who cannot stand up to the Americans. He was quick to sanction the Russians and stop the flow of gas. However, the German people were beginning protest in greater and greater numbers. Schultz was about to cave and so the Americans chose to blow up the pipeline. That's what it looks like anyway.

Instead of thinking Russia wants to "take over" Europe, you have to rework that a bit and you will get to the Truth: Russia wants to do Business with Europe. That's what this conflict is about.

"Russia becomes stronger and stronger" :lol

Russia is a 3rd world country with inherited nukes and nothing else.

Second, nobody is saying a shithole like Russia wants to take over Europe. They can't even take over Ukraine without falling on their own ass. Russia wants Ukraine and wants to destabilize European democracies to get someone friendly to Russia in office to benefit Russia.

[QUOTE=Rolando;14668286]The European Market belongs to the US. All the money and profits made through trade with this very wealthy economic zone are dominated by America.

The US will not simply let Russia start doing business with the EU. Especially the very profitable energy business. American interests lose profits and Russia becomes stronger and stronger. This simply cannot be allowed to happen. Angela Merkel was a great leader for Germany. She realized that Germany needed that Russian gas and, against the wishes of the US, initiated discussions with the Russians and this allowed the Pipelines to be constructed. The US was against it the whole way. The current leader of Germany is a spineless wimp who cannot stand up to the Americans. He was quick to sanction the Russians and stop the flow of gas. However, the German people were beginning protest in greater and greater numbers. Schultz was about to cave and so the Americans chose to blow up the pipeline. That's what it looks like anyway.

Instead of thinking Russia wants to "take over" Europe, you have to rework that a bit and you will get to the Truth: Russia wants to do Business with Europe. That's what this conflict is about.[/QUOTE]

:facepalm

The Saudis cutting oil production and driving up gas prices with just 4 weeks until the midterm elections (at Trump's request), makes those stolen nuclear secrets all the more interesting don't ya think.

[QUOTE=SATAN;14668491]:facepalm[/QUOTE]

I encourage you to comment on anything I wrote. Let'er rip.

Regardless of what anybody thinks, there's a very screwed up and unstable winter coming for Europe. I wonder if the US will start confronting Russia more and more directly. I wonder if the US has done serious damage to its reputation by blowing up the pipeline. Will the US continue sending money and special forces to Ukraine? Will the American public be happy to see more billions of dollars of tax payer money being spent on some other country?

[QUOTE=Rolando;14668655]I encourage you to comment on anything I wrote. Let'er rip.

Regardless of what anybody thinks, there's a very screwed up and unstable winter coming for Europe. I wonder if the US will start confronting Russia more and more directly. I wonder if the US has done serious damage to its reputation by blowing up the pipeline. Will the US continue sending money and special forces to Ukraine? Will the American public be happy to see more billions of dollars of tax payer money being spent on some other country?[/QUOTE]

Your mind is already made up that it was the US that blew up the pipeline almost like a foregone conclusion. I don't see the point of this thread because you are obviously extremely pro-russia. Anyone saying anything against Russia will blow past you.

Again, I like Blade, but he feels almost like a bot. I don't know if it's mental illness.

8 months after Trump was cleared by Mueller of the Russia, Russia, Russia collusion hoax, Bladef was still going strong with the narrative, because he had no idea that Trump was cleared 8 months earlier. That was incredible to watch.

He writes essays about subjects as if he knows what he's talking about, even though he lacks the curiosity to even read about the subjects. Literally only reads CNN headlines, and doesn't go any further. That's why I feel there's something wrong with him up there.

Like with the Kyle Rittenhouse case, he was writing essay after essay about a case that was all over the news, with every detail beaten to death by the public as a whole, and then [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?483529-Kyle-Rittenhouse&p=14478768&viewfull=1#post14478768][B]it comes out that he hadn't watch a single frame related to the trial[/B][/url].

[QUOTE=Lakers Legend#32;14668619]The Saudis cutting oil production and driving up gas prices with just 4 weeks until the midterm elections (at Trump's request), makes those stolen nuclear secrets all the more interesting don't ya think.[/QUOTE]

You forgot the emoji..

[URL="https://twitter.com/jojofromjerz/status/1577722988090122240"]https://twitter.com/jojofromjerz/status/1577722988090122240[/URL]

[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14668726]You forgot the emoji..

[URL="https://twitter.com/jojofromjerz/status/1577722988090122240"]https://twitter.com/jojofromjerz/status/1577722988090122240[/URL][/QUOTE]

Interesting. I wonder where JoJoFromJerz copied and pasted it from. And if she forgot any emojis.

no proofs