say what?

come on rrr3 don't duck out on me while i'm attempting to find a middle-ground with you here.

i look forward to hearing your response tomorrow.

[QUOTE=bladefd;14886072]You don't know about the immigration bill, do you?

[url]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/new-immigration-asylum-reform-bill-released-senate-text-rcna136602[/url]

You said "0 dollars for our border", and I blew down that strawman argument. You retort with "well, it's all a show."

No, it's not. One party decide to play politics in election season even though the bill was written by a Republican conservative. That one party decided to not pass the funding/stricter immigration bill[/QUOTE]

at a glance, because i need to get ready for tomorrow, it appears that you lied to me blade. either that or you're genuinely confused yourself. i'm running with the former unless you can convince me otherwise.

[QUOTE]The call for action comes a week after the Senate passed a foreign aid bill that Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) has said he would not take up in the House. The $95 billion Senate bill contained money for Ukraine, Israel and other foreign policy priorities [B][U]but did not include the negotiated bipartisan border agreement that had provisions to increase border security and tighten asylum laws[/U][/B].[/QUOTE]

[url]https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4477219-bipartisan-lawmakers-urge-colleagues-to-back-bill-combining-ukraine-aid-border-security/[/url]

in other words, my op was accurate.

[QUOTE=diamenz;14886161]come on rrr3 don't duck out on me while i'm attempting to find a middle-ground with you here.

i look forward to hearing your response tomorrow.[/QUOTE]

I'm still here.

[QUOTE=diamenz;14886036][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GENpeq_WQAAfYK8.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

the wall that is being stood on is dumpsters wall , missing 900 miles of a unfinished project.

(latino's showing others how to climb the wall like a monkey)

[QUOTE=diamenz;14886165]at a glance, because i need to get ready for tomorrow, it appears that you lied to me blade. either that or you're genuinely confused yourself. i'm running with the former unless you can convince me otherwise.



[url]https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4477219-bipartisan-lawmakers-urge-colleagues-to-back-bill-combining-ukraine-aid-border-security/[/url]

in other words, my op was accurate.[/QUOTE]

The foreign aid bill is a separate bill. I was talking about the immigration bill, which was specifically for the border. Republicans turned it down due to shepherd Donald telling them not to agree to it to play politics. Either it's a pressing issue for which a bipartisan immigration bill was ready to go or it's not a pressing issue. Which is it?

Do you seriously expect a "FOREIGN AID bill" to be about US immigration? Think about it for a minute before you post nonsense.

"NO MONEY FOR THE BORDER CRISIS!! BUT LOOK, THEY CARE ABOUT ISRAEL/UKRAINE!!" - unnamed poster
"There is a bipartisan bill for that very issue but Republicans playing politics killed it recently" - me
"HAH, I don't care about another bill targeted just for immigration. I meant why is there no domestic border issue funding INSIDE THE FOREIGN AID BILL??" - unnamed poster

[img]https://media1.tenor.com/m/BzdybKbJj7gAAAAd/moving-goalpost.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=bladefd;14886258]The foreign aid bill is a separate bill. I was talking about the immigration bill, which was specifically for the border. Republicans turned it down due to shepherd Donald telling them not to agree to it to play politics. Either it's a pressing issue for which a bipartisan immigration bill was ready to go or it's not a pressing issue. Which is it?

Do you seriously expect a "FOREIGN AID bill" to be about US immigration? Think about it for a minute before you post nonsense.[/QUOTE]

i honestly don't know what you're going on about here. there is no "separate" bill. there were two bills, or 'proposals' - the original one you posted referred to in that article from the 4th of feb was an all-encompassing bill including both foreign aid as well as border security and 'tightening' of asylum seeker laws. as i understand it, that bill was shot down by republicans in the house due to political pressure from trump, like you said.

the second proposal passed last week by the senate is the same bill (as i understand it), but [U]stripped[/U] of the us border funding and law reform. so my op is still accurate. what are you going on about?

[url]https://www.statista.com/statistics/455587/enacted-border-patrol-program-budget-in-the-us/#:~:text=The%20enacted%20border%20patrol%20program,for%20the%202024%20fiscal%20year[/url].

[QUOTE=Off the Court;14886263][url]https://www.statista.com/statistics/455587/enacted-border-patrol-program-budget-in-the-us/#:~:text=The%20enacted%20border%20patrol%20program,for%20the%202024%20fiscal%20year[/url].[/QUOTE]

alright... thank you for that i guess. but what does this have to do with the fact that the current bill forwarded to the house has zero provisions for border reform and funding in the midst of a border crisis? what are we doing prioritizing our 'allies' before our own country's interests?

Biden wants nothing to do with any change to border policy in an election year.

Status quo is the best outcome for him. He can bullshit his way through a campaign about his efforts to strengthen the border without having to defend any changes.

[QUOTE=diamenz;14886265]alright... thank you for that i guess. but what does this have to do with the fact that the current bill forwarded to the house has zero provisions for border reform and funding in the midst of a border crisis? what are we doing prioritizing our 'allies' before our own country's interests?[/QUOTE]

Like already pointed out that is a foreign aid bill, we spend billions a year on our own border internally.

Also, I didn't read this entire thread, this was probably already mentioned because it's a "DUH" point, but those countries are at REAL ACTUAL war. Another countires military is coming in to take over their land. The only way that would be comparable to our situation is if Mexico's military was invading us to conquer the US. But what is really happening is families coming simply because they want to be a part of the US. I know you've been trained to think everyone coming in is MS13 to kill us all but that isn't reality. The reality is that 99% of these people just want to do our crap work.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;14886277]Like already pointed out that is a foreign aid bill, we spend billions a year on our own border internally.

Also, I didn't read this entire thread, this was probably already mentioned because it's a "DUH" point, but those countries are at REAL ACTUAL war. Another countires military is coming in to take over their land. The only way that would be comparable to our situation is if Mexico's military was invading us to conquer the US. But what is really happening is families coming simply because they want to be a part of the US. I know you've been trained to think everyone coming in is MS13 to kill us all but that isn't reality. The reality is that 99% of these people just want to do our crap work.[/QUOTE]

yes, correct - [u]as it stands now[/u], hr 815 is strictly a foreign aid bill. [u]however[/u], in it's [U]original form[/U] before it was shot down by republicans weeks ago due to political pressure from trump, it was that same bill containing the foreign aid, [U]but also coupled with funding and policy provisions for the us-mexico border[/U]. including reform with regard to asylum seeker laws, which is crucial. it was originally titled the "National Security Act".

after trump and his party shot the bill down, it was subsequently striped of any us-mexico border provisions, passed by the senate and forwarded to the house.

so again, the op is accurate - no funding or policy provisions set aside for our border crisis. and yes, trump and house republicans are [U]absolutely[/U] to blame for this. apparently i hadn't done all of my homework. this yearly funding you speak of is irrelevant to the urgent matter at hand as it does nothing to address the asylum seeker influx crisis.

[QUOTE]I know you've been trained to think everyone coming in is MS13 to kill us all but that isn't reality. The reality is that 99% of these people just want to do our crap work.[/QUOTE]

so how's that working out? say your 99% argument is true for argument's sake - we don't have the logistics in place in order to house and employ this large influx of people and that's been showcased by the mess sanctuary cities have been continuously dealing with the past 6+ months. it's why we have a system in place to bring these people in at a controlled rate. americans need jobs too, you know. we're supposed to hand those jobs over to people who have brute-forced their way into the country illegally under the guise of asylum seekers? reward them with free health care, food, clothes and tent cities in the middle of residential neighborhoods? furthermore, how is that fair to the good folks waiting patiently in mexico going through the proper legal process to become us citizens?

how you guys can justify this mess is unreal.

[QUOTE=diamenz;14886262]i honestly don't know what you're going on about here. there is no "separate" bill. there were two bills, or 'proposals' - the original one you posted referred to in that article from the 4th of feb was an all-encompassing bill including both foreign aid as well as border security and 'tightening' of asylum seeker laws. as i understand it, that bill was shot down by republicans in the house due to political pressure from trump, like you said.

the second proposal passed last week by the senate is the same bill (as i understand it), but [U]stripped[/U] of the us border funding and law reform. so my op is still accurate. what are you going on about?[/QUOTE]

I didn't know the second proposal last week stripped the immigration stuff out. I thought they split the original bill into two separate bills - foreign aid bill and immigration bill. Perhaps not?

But ya, we spend 25 billion per year for border security. That doesn't even include Homeland Security's 122 billion annual budget. So anything else would be extra money on top of the tens of billions we already spend.

[QUOTE=bladefd;14886311]I didn't know the second proposal last week stripped the immigration stuff out. I thought they split the original bill into two separate bills - foreign aid bill and immigration bill. Perhaps not?

But ya, [B]we spend 25 billion per year for border security[/B]. That doesn't even include Homeland Security's 122 billion annual budget. So anything else would be extra money on top of the tens of billions we already spend.[/QUOTE]

again, irrelevant to the crisis at hand. asylum seeker laws need reform in order to stop this infestation.

This thread shows how dumb DIAMENZ - his own party shot down a border control bill ... and he keeps asking the same fuvkin' question.