Why was Hakeem getting beat in Rd 1 or missing the playoffs for so much of his prime

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;14913081]Interesting.

Why are there so many low IQ people on ISH who cherry pick the good parts of Hakeem's resume to put him top 10, but for today's players they include all the shortcomings when evaluating a guy?[/QUOTE]

It's bot just ish, a loot of hooper fans glaze him because he was a complete elite player offensively and defensively (minus the playmaking)

Because Bill Cartwright elbow changed his face, and changed his name.

It is true. People would scoff at Curry being put over Hakeem even when he has double the superstar rings and more accolades. Which is true. Older players get their failures swept under the rug and their wins highlighted. Hakeem doesn't have a top 10 resume at all. He barely did more than Dirk or Garnett who are top 20ish.

And like for instance Kobe gets shit on for missing the playoffs in one year and getting beat as a 7 seed with an all time bad cast. People said well ... Kobe can't win without Shaq. Then they said he can't win without Pau. But 1995 Clyde Drexler was just as good if not better than Pau. Nobody ever brings that up. It's like Hakeem is immune to hate in a way other players weren't.

[QUOTE=tpols;14916590]It is true. People would scoff at Curry being put over Hakeem even when he has double the superstar rings and more accolades. Which is true. Older players get their failures swept under the rug and their wins highlighted. Hakeem doesn't have a top 10 resume at all. He barely did more than Dirk or Garnett who are top 20ish.[/QUOTE]

[U]Hakeem[/U]

12x All-Star
9x All-Defensive
2x DPOY
2x FMVP
12x All-NBA

[U]Steph[/U]

10x All-Star
0x All-Defensive
0x DPOY
1x FMVP
10x All-NBA

Steph has 1 more MVP than Hakeem. He also has 2 scoring titles, but Hakeem has 2 rebounding titles and 3 blks titles. I'm not sure how he has more accolades all things considered.

Steph won in 2015 with Kyrie and Love both injured, then KD joined the team after the biggest meltdown in NBA history. His rings and finals appearances aren't as great as they look on paper.

[QUOTE=tpols;14916592]And like for instance Kobe gets shit on for missing the playoffs in one year and getting beat as a 7 seed with an all time bad cast. People said well ... Kobe can't win without Shaq. Then they said he can't win without Pau. But 1995 Clyde Drexler was just as good if not better than Pau. Nobody ever brings that up. It's like Hakeem is immune to hate in a way other players weren't.[/QUOTE]

Well Kobe missing the playoffs wasn't his fault. Because some people are Kobe haters isn't a reason to take aim at Hakeem.

[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14916595][U]Hakeem[/U]

12x All-Star
9x All-Defensive
2x DPOY
2x FMVP
12x All-NBA

[U]Steph[/U]

10x All-Star
0x All-Defensive
0x DPOY
1x FMVP
10x All-NBA

Steph has 1 more MVP than Hakeem. He also has 2 scoring titles, but Hakeem has 2 rebounding titles and 3 blks titles. I'm not sure how he has more accolades all things considered.

Steph won in 2015 with Kyrie and Love both injured, then KD joined the team after the biggest meltdown in NBA history. His rings and finals appearances aren't as great as they look on paper.[/QUOTE]

That a bullshit analysis

. Curry factually has 4 rings producing at a superstar level. He was having series of 28/10/8 and they don't count because he didn't win FMVP? He massively outproduced Iggy but it doesn't count because some nerd journalists gave Iggy the award? When he was obviously the best player on the team and MVP of the entire LEAGUE?

Nah... that FMVP argument is bullshit. Curry literally won in the playoffs FAR more than Hakeem did and its honestly not even close.

Guy won a title with Andrew Wiggins at 2nd option so the help excuse doesnt even fly.

[QUOTE=tpols;14916597]That a bullshit analysis

. Curry factually has 4 rings producing at a superstar level. He was having series of 28/10/8 and they don't count because he didn't win FMVP? He massively outproduced Iggy but it doesn't count because some nerd journalists gave Iggy the award? When he was obviously the best player on the team and MVP of the entire LEAGUE?

Nah... that FMVP argument is bullshit. Curry literally won in the playoffs FAR more than Hakeem did and its honestly not even close.

Guy won a title with Andrew Wiggins at 2nd option so the help excuse doesnt even fly.[/QUOTE]

Well, I didn't exclude his 2022 FMVP. I simply mentioned he has 1 FMVP whereas Hakeem has 2. And where did you get 28/10/8 from? In 2015, Steph put up 26/5/6 in the finals.

Iguodala got FMVP off of the strength of his defensive contribution. Not to mention, he somehow had a slightly higher TS% than Steph during the series. And in the deciding game, Steph came up big, but overall they both were big contributors. Both guys dropped 25 points. I get there is an argument to be made about Steph winning the FMVP, but even if we were to give him that, then it would make them 2-2 in that category. Your original point was that he has accolades over Hakeem. This just isn't the case.

I just noticed you didn't even include MVPs in your accolade analysis. Which is crazy work when you had All Star games at the top.

Curry has DOUBLE the MVPs over Hakeem. (including the only UMVP in league history)

And DOUBLE the rings producing at a superstar level.

And he was doing it against somebody some people call the GOAT... not bums.

That right there is a very strong case that his resume is superior. Not even saying he was necessarily a better player... but you you can be a slightly worse player but with a better resume. Which is what GOAT lists are made up of.

[QUOTE=tpols;14916603]I just noticed you didn't even include MVPs in your accolade analysis. Which is crazy work when you had All Star games at the top.

Curry has DOUBLE the MVPs over Hakeem. (including the only UMVP in league history)

And DOUBLE the rings producing at a superstar level.

And he was doing it against somebody some people call the GOAT... not bums.

That right there is a very strong case that his resume is superior. Not even saying he was necessarily a better player... but you you can be a slightly worse player but with a better resume. Which is what GOAT lists are made up of.[/QUOTE]

I clearly said Steph has 1 more MVP than Hakeem.

[QUOTE]Hakeem

12x All-Star
9x All-Defensive
2x DPOY
2x FMVP
12x All-NBA

Steph

10x All-Star
0x All-Defensive
0x DPOY
1x FMVP
10x All-NBA

[B]Steph has 1 more MVP than Hakeem[/B]. He also has 2 scoring titles, but Hakeem has 2 rebounding titles and 3 blks titles. I'm not sure how he has more accolades all things considered.

Steph won in 2015 with Kyrie and Love both injured, then KD joined the team after the biggest meltdown in NBA history. His rings and finals appearances aren't as great as they look on paper.[/QUOTE]

Saying "double the MVPs" is a nice way of putting it. It could be 4 to 2, but it's not. It's literally 2 to 1. I mean, you could have double the money I have, which could mean $200,000 to $100,000, or simply $1.00 to $0.50.

It's also convenient to ignore the fact that Kyrie and Love were both injured in 2015, and then the Warriors adding KD in 2017, producing the most stacked team, arguably, in league history.

Put Hakeem with prime KD/Klay/Dray I'm confident he's sleepwalking to b2b titles, ditto 2015 playing a bunch of weak/injured opponents. I'd pick him to win in 2022 as well with their toughest opponent having to guard him with old Al Horford.

Put Curry on the '94 & '95 Rockets, do you still pick Houston to win the titles those seasons? I think it's a lot less certain than Hakeem in Curry's place.

Could you argue Curry ahead of Hakeem? Of course, but as usual, rangz is an extremely faulty reasoning to do so.

Btw, you can mock Wiggins, but Hakeem won with Vernon Maxwell as his 2nd option :lol

I mean Ewings 2nd option was an absolute bed wetting John Starks. Literally all time bad 2nd banana. So it evens out.

Hakeems peak was GOAT but his prime wasn't at all. Curry did it for longer.

TBH if Jordan never got retired... Hakeem would probably be ringless like Ewing.

His entire career was made off the back of a 2 year span where the best player ever wasn't in the league.

[QUOTE=tpols;14916618]I mean Ewings 2nd option was an absolute bed wetting John Starks. Literally all time bad 2nd banana. So it evens out.

Hakeems peak was GOAT but his prime wasn't at all. Curry did it for longer.

TBH if Jordan never got retired... Hakeem would probably be ringless like Ewing.

His entire career was made off the back of a 2 year span where the best player ever wasn't in the league.[/QUOTE]

That's a simplistic way to look at it. Starks was actually decent the first six games of the series. He put up 19/3/7/2 on 56% TS%. He was also an All-Star and All-Defensive 2nd Team that season. The Knicks also had an All-Star in Charles Oakley, who was also All-Defensive 1st Team and a DPOY vote getter.

And why isn't his prime GOAT caliber? He made it to the finals 3 times, winning 2 chips. Between 1986-95, he put up [B]29/12/3/4 on 54%[/B] in the playoffs. And you're saying Mike wasn't there for 2 years when he literally played in 1995. :lol

[QUOTE=tpols;14916592]And like for instance Kobe gets shit on for missing the playoffs in one year and getting beat as a 7 seed with an all time bad cast. People said well ... Kobe can't win without Shaq. Then they said he can't win without Pau. But 1995 Clyde Drexler was just as good if not better than Pau. Nobody ever brings that up. It's like Hakeem is immune to hate in a way other players weren't.[/QUOTE]

It’s because in the early to mid 2000s then Kobe fans were obnoxious and annoying as fvck. Jordan was the guy in Hakeem’s day so hakeem probably didn’t have fans like that.

The number one thing that brings hate to a player are his fans.