MJ's 1988 DPOY is now being "Questioned". HOME vs ROAD Steals has twice as much Gap

The article lists a bunch of low-scoring DPOY's that average between 7 to 18 ppg........... Then it shows a DPOY that was actually the goat scorer and averaged twice as much (35 ppg), but pretends that he shouldn't be an outlier from the other DPOY's, or acts surprised that he is.

The article concedes that even low-scoring DPOY's like Ben Wallace and Jaren Jackson Jr benefitted from home environment even though they didn't have the massive 2-way burden and therefore didn't need the energy or the crowd like Jordan did.. Jordan was like Muhamad Ali and had a different relationship with the crowd than a grinder like Alvin Robertson or Ben Wallace - [I]Jordan needed the crowd more to help carry the goat 2-way burden but this boost wasn't there on the road[/I].. In addition to the crowd being a bigger factor for Jordan, the Bulls were a developing team in 1988 and the gap in home/road performance was bigger than anyone else on the list.

Essentially, Jordan was not an ordinary DPOY because he's the goat scorer and most DPOY's are low-scoring grinders.. Even Hakeem only averaged 27 ppg as DPOY, which is 8 less than MJ.. The young Bulls also had bigger gaps in performance (home vs road) than anyone in on the list.

Articles like this show how much Jordan is goat because it's clear that people are just mad that Lebron fell short - now that it's over, they're desperate as they enter the denial phase.. It's amusing

Just saw the vid. So MJ was credited blocks when the whistle was already blown dead for a foul? That is next level superstar treatment.

Guy also points out that in one game Atlanta was credited with 10 turnovers while Chicago was credited with 10 steals, he went back and watched that game because of how odd it was for all of a team's turnovers to be steals and it turned out to be a lie.

This is the game in question.

[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198802150CHI.html[/url]

MJ was falsely credited with 5 steals.

DPOY fraud winner confirmed. :oldlol:

Even then, it doesn't really change anything for me. I always said there was no way '88 MJ had more defensive impact than Hakeem. Just like how it was a joke Michael Cooper, GP, & Marcus Smart won the award. It's not an award guards should win.

The way you guys obsess about him is astonishing lol.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14923251]This is the game in question.

[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198802150CHI.html[/url]

MJ was falsely credited with 5 steals.

DPOY fraud winner confirmed. :oldlol:

Even then, it doesn't really change anything for me. I always said there was no way '88 MJ had more defensive impact than Hakeem. Just like how it was a joke Michael Cooper, GP, & Marcus Smart won the award. It's not an award guards should win.[/QUOTE]


it's a bs article that compares low-scoring dpoy's to the goat scorer and expects similar results

jaren jackson had 159% more steals & blocks at home than on the road - he's 2nd to Jordan's 182 - this means literally nothing except that Jordan had the goat 2-way burden and therefore needed the home crowd for energy more than Jackson, while also having a young team that played poorly on the road.

again, it's a bs article that compares apples to oranges.. the least they could do is provide gifs in the article to show the questionable steals (as I would have done and routinely do on here) - provide the Rodney King, video evidence... But no... of course not... because it's a fraudulent article bankrolled by Klutch Sports.. carry on

Btw, the article claims to have watched 5 games as the sample size for missed steals, which proves that "Thinking Basketball" youtube channel is fraudulent - they claim to have watched over 100 playoff games of Jordan to track his on-off for various lineups - this is obviously false considering the mainstream could only watch 5 before saying "that's enough (for the fruad)"

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Yikes

Be interesting to know if any of these fraudulent activities were effecting gambling outcomes...

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14923251]I always said there was no way '88 MJ had more defensive impact than Hakeem. Just like how it was a joke Michael Cooper, GP, & Marcus Smart won the award. It's not an award guards should win.[/QUOTE]


Comparing Jordan to Marcus Smart is absurd - you just never saw jordan and that's OKAY

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Yikes[/QUOTE]


23' Jaren Jackson.......... 18.6 ppg..... 150% more home stocks
88' Michael Jordan......... 35.0 ppg..... 182% more home stocks


^^^^ Jordan carried the goat 2-way burden and therefore needed goat energy, so he benefitted from the home crowd energy more than anyone.. On the road, he saved energy by gambling less and getting less steals... Makes sense to anyone that hooped.. The blocks remained similar on the home/road - it was only the steals and only that one year where MJ's defensive energy much higher than any other year in his effort to win DPOY... So the article is complete BS - everything is explained easily and they're pretending there's an issue.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14923279]23' Jaren Jackson.......... 18.6 ppg..... 150% more home stocks
88' Michael Jordan......... 35.0 ppg..... 182% more home stocks


^^^^ Jordan carried the goat 2-way burden and therefore needed goat energy, so he benefitted from the home crowd energy more than anyone.. On the road, he saved energy by gambling less and getting less steals... Makes sense to anyone that hooped.. The blocks remained similar on the home/road - it was only the steals and only that one year where MJ's defensive energy much higher than any other year in his effort to win DPOY... So the article is complete BS - everything is explained easily and they're pretending there's an issue.[/QUOTE]

Good post, was about to bring up JJ. They tried the same shit with him and it got debunked.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14923267]Comparing Jordan to Marcus Smart is absurd - you just never saw jordan and that's OKAY[/QUOTE]

Reading comprehension isn't your best suit?

Every guard since Michael Cooper who have won DPOY have been fraud award winners.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14923281]Good post, was about to bring up JJ. They tried the same shit with him and it got debunked.[/QUOTE]

It got debunked, the vid in the OP even mentions that. But this guy actually went back along with someone else and actually watched entire games and realized fraud stats were credited to MJ.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14923250]
Guy also points out that in one game Atlanta was credited with 10 turnovers while Chicago was credited with 10 steals[/QUOTE]

MJ Stan's still ignoring this fact. All 10 turnovers were steals? That is almost impossible, the guy went back and confirmed it was false.

But they still claim BS on the article.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14923286]MJ Stan's still ignoring this fact. All 10 turnovers were steals? That is almost impossible, the guy went back and confirmed it was false.

But they still claim BS on the article.[/QUOTE]

It's actually worse than the headline suggested when you listen, they are saying that Mj was getting credited for Steals on deflections out of bounds and credited for blocks even after being called for fouls. This is pretty significant and has to be acknowledged.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14923286]MJ Stan's still ignoring this fact. All 10 turnovers were steals? That is almost impossible, the guy went back and confirmed it was false.

But they still claim BS on the article.[/QUOTE]


the 182% is part of a trend for ALL players and all DPOY's that range from 130 to 160... Jordan's slightly high number at 182 is explained any number of ways such as the abnormal energy Jordan applied on the defensive side of the ball that particular year.. So with the numbers basically complete BS, the article basically asks the reader to take the author's word for it that they watched 5 games and many of the steals were misreported..

[I]where are the links to the games?.. why should we take their word for it?
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again, this is all part of the "done with the 90's" and "can't go left" bs propaganda put forth by Klutch Sports... it's AMAZING that this stuff is in the mainstream for new fans to digest as the truth.. It makes you realize how much of history is misreported or mischaracterized and the truth basically changed from what actually happened.. it's sad

And btw, it shows how painstaking it is that they sampled 5 games, while the fraudulent youtube channel "Thinking Basketball" claims to have watched over 100 Jordan playoff games!!!!... lol... what a bunch of obvious frauds..