How good is the case for peak Magic and Bird over peak Lebron?

[QUOTE=tpols;14931378]Kyrie outplayed UMVP Curry.

Lebron outplayed... Harrison Barnes.

:roll:[/QUOTE]
He outplayed everybody, led both teams in every category. Only time in history that's happened, and he did it over several HOF's in their primes.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14931379]He outplayed everybody, led both teams in every category. Only time in history that's happened, and he did it over several HOF's in their primes.[/QUOTE]


A mere footnote and statistical anomaly to lead categories by 0.2 steals, 1 rebound and 1 point or whatever it was

who cares.. there are far more meaningful statistical accomplishments in the Finals.

the point is that anyone would win if their sidekick outplays the league MVP, such as Stockton outplaying MVP Jordan - Malone would've easily won in this case

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14931379]He outplayed everybody, led both teams in every category. Only time in history that's happened, and he did it over several HOF's in their primes.[/QUOTE]

Kyrie and Lebrons positional opposition was vastly different in terms of talent and ability.

Like... different galaxy level different.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14931361]I'm pretty confident Ben Taylor has LeBron's defensive peak above MJ's, considering how much he picked apart MJ's defense during his peak project.

And I would like a quote of Ben Taylor ranking Magic's offense ahead of LeBron's. The only thing I remember is him saying Magic has a strong case of being the greatest offensive player ever because of the ATG offenses he ran. He didn't compare their offenses head to head.[/QUOTE]

He had a podcast ranking the best offensive players in the 3pt era. I'll try to find which podcast and link but you could find discussions about it on RealGM.

He put MJ, Magic and Curry in Tier 1 and Lebron, Shaq, and Jokic in Tier 2.

[QUOTE=tpols;14931384][B]Kyrie and Lebrons positional opposition[/B] was vastly different in terms of talent and ability.

Like... different galaxy level different.[/QUOTE]

Who cares? We're solely comparing him to entire teams based on the outcome of the series. Apparently.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14931373][INDENT]09' Mo Will vs #4 SRS Magic....... 18 on 38%...... #3 team defense........ lost

89' Pippen' vs #1 SRS Cavs........ 15 on 40%..... #11 team defense....... won
97' Pippen' vs #4 SRS Heat........ 16 on 39%....... #4 team defense....... won
98' Pippen' vs #4 SRS Pacers'..... 17 on 39%....... #9 team defense....... won
98' Pippen' vs #3 SRS Jazz......... 16 on 41%....... #9 team defense....... won

96-98' Pippen entire playoffs....... 18 on 41%...... #1, #4, #9 defenses[/INDENT]


^^^ Jordan beat better teams than the 09' Magic with less help on both sides of the ball

Lebron never beat a top 5 SRS team w/ weak scoring & efficiency from sidekick (never carried weak help over top teams).. He's too ball-dominant at carry-job volume to beat top teams and therefore needs all-time scoring help[/QUOTE]

:lol

Never change.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14931389]:lol

Never change.[/QUOTE]


And you the same

[QUOTE=3ba11;14931391]And you the same[/QUOTE]

Nah I'm not autistic (and/or my livelihood doesn't depend on this board) so I'll adapt and switch things up as I age. Like most people.

[QUOTE=tpols;14931378]Kyrie outplayed UMVP Curry.

Lebron outplayed... Harrison Barnes.

:roll:[/QUOTE]

Adam Silver outplayed everyone :lol

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14931410]Adam Silver outplayed everyone :lol[/QUOTE]

this.

Super team is just not enough.

LeColluder needed lot more help than that.

and he finally got it

[QUOTE=gengiskhan;14931412]this.

Super team is just not enough.

LeColluder needed lot more help than that.

and he finally got it[/QUOTE]

Dude legit called Adam Silver after the game to complain about it

Imagine hitting speed dial to the commissioner of the league after getting whooped and about to lose…..insane

Remember that the ref’s call on the floor was not flagrant, Adam Silver personally retroactively upgraded it to a flagrant THAT night after Lebron made his lobbying phone call

Silver knew lebron was about to get served 4-1 so he caved in and personally extended the series

It might be one of the biggest fixes in modern sports

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14931401]Nah I'm not autistic (and/or my livelihood doesn't depend on this board) so I'll adapt and switch things up as I age. Like most people.[/QUOTE]


Stay lacking insight.. That's what I meant.. in your eyes, if a team loses, it's because they didn't have enough help (more talent needed, aka talent-based winning).. that's okay.. keep thinking that because it allows me to have great insight and see things like the US about to be annihilated in the Olympics