Cooper Flagg Discussion Thread

[QUOTE=Neal Romer;14945363]Yep. The shoulder height difference is pretty clear.

Size-wise Flagg is more of a big wing than a 'big.' Obviously it's still possible to look like one and play like the other. But I just see Flagg as more of a Franz Wagner at the NBA level. Which isnt a knock, Wagner's a very good player. I just dont see what aspect Flagg is going to DOMINATE in, based on his size/game at present. But he hasnt even played in college yet so theres still plenty left to learn about how he'll project.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14945372]This was my initial off the bat take as well. Thats why I was talking about him not bulking too much and try to be a pippen like player.

If he has the athleticism to pull it off it will be better for him to be a large wing rather than an undersized big man.

Can slide between both forward spots and be able to switch on big men when needed

Im thinking that is where he wants to be.[/QUOTE]

Big wing is definitely what it looks like. Will have to wait to get those wingspan and standing reach measurements though. His arms are really long on film.

But his robustness might be the most underrated element of his physical makeup. He looks really sturdy for a guy who's only 17 and a half. Broad shoulders, wide torso, thick and long limbs. Looks to have a really solid base.

We'll have to see how he physically develops but he may have the build and strength to play some occasional minutes as a small-ball center like Draymond. He grappled well with LeBron at times during the scrimmage. Knocked Jrue off balance several times.

[QUOTE=Manny98;14945375]Can wemby defend 1-5 at an elite level and switch onto any position

Wemby is a fantastic rim protector and will win multiple DPOY but Flagg has demonstrated defensive versatility and impact that we've never seen from a 17 year old[/QUOTE]

Wemby will always have more impact on the defensive end just because of his size and his elite rim protection.

[QUOTE=Manny98;14945375]Can wemby defend 1-5 at an elite level and switch onto any position

Wemby is a fantastic rim protector and will win multiple DPOY but Flagg has demonstrated defensive versatility and impact that we've never seen from a 17 year old[/QUOTE]
Wembanyama probably can't defend a pg as well as Jrue Holiday but he can basically defend anyone. He can give quicker players space and still block their shot. No one has ever had his combo of length and agility.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14945377]Wemby will always have more impact on the defensive end just because of his size and his elite rim protection.[/QUOTE]

He should in theory but nothing is certain. Draymond's only 6'5.75" barefoot and he's one of the most impactful defenders ever. Victor's off to a good start. We'll see what happens.

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14945376]Big wing is definitely what it looks like. Will have to wait to get those wingspan and standing reach measurements though. His arms are really long on film.

But his robustness might be the most underrated element of his physical makeup. He looks really sturdy for a guy who's only 17 and a half. Broad shoulders, wide torso, thick and long limbs. Looks to have a really solid base.

We'll have to see how he physically develops but he may have the build and strength to play some occasional minutes as a small-ball center like Draymond. He grappled well with LeBron at times during the scrimmage. Knocked Jrue off balance several times.[/QUOTE]

That is true, lots of guys at 17 are stick men build still. He’s going to be able to put on more weight lt and it will help him. Although he shouldn’t put too much on and sacrifice lateral quickness.

If he can be a big 3, play some 4, and some small ball 5 on occasions, that would be perfect for him in my opinion.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14945377]Wemby will always have more impact on the defensive end just because of his size and his elite rim protection.[/QUOTE]
Not really Rudy Gobert destroys Draymond in size and Rim Protection but in the playoffs Green is more impactful defensively

Versatile guys like Draymond,Flagg,Gianni's translate better in the playoffs than rim protectors

Not the best angle but I think Cooper's shoulder is a little higher than LeBron's. I think he's a little taller.

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[QUOTE=Manny98;14945387]Not really Rudy Gobert destroys Draymond in size and Rim Protection but in the playoffs Green is more impactful defensively

Versatile guys like Draymond,Flagg,Gianni's translate better in the playoffs than rim protectors[/QUOTE]
What you don't seem to realize is that Wembanyama is versatile. No one wants to be guarded by him regardless of their position. He can't be shot over and you might think you have him beat off the dribble but as soon as you release the ball he's sending it to the backboard or the front row.

We saw Wemby as a 20 year old in his first year in the league become the best defensive player in the league right away, and now we have people saying a 17 year old who doesn't even have the size of Wemby claiming he might surpass him defensively. :lol

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14945392]What you don't seem to realize is that Wembanyama is versatile. [B]No one wants to be guarded by him regardless of their position.[/B] He can't be shot over and you might think you have him beat off the dribble but as soon as you release the ball he's sending it to the backboard or the front row.[/QUOTE]

Go tell that to Sengun :oldlol:

[video=youtube_share;8ZfAgwnrzwc]https://youtu.be/8ZfAgwnrzwc?si=mfExYbgs0tujsQAq[/video]

[QUOTE=Manny98;14945400]Go tell that to Sengun :oldlol:[/QUOTE]He wasn't the primary defender for most of those plays. Who in basketball history hasn't had a player on the opposing team have a big night?

Of course RMWG has to bring up Wemby for some reason and proceed to derail the thread while endlessly arguing about him.

What an incredible moderator. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14945408]He wasn't the primary defender for most of those plays. Who in basketball history hasn't had a player on the opposing team have a big night?[/QUOTE]

Yes he was Sengun was abusing him in the post all night, he's a great defender but him being 7'4 180 pounds presents some flaws where he struggles against certain post scoring bigs who can bully his skinny frame

Cole Aldrich is another guy, like Jokic, who has similar bodily proportions to Cooper regarding relative limb length, clavicle width, and potentially hand size. All three are wide-bodied and have a lower brachial index/longer humerus (upper arm) relative to the radius (lower arm).

Cole Aldrich:

- 6'9" barefoot height
- 7'4.75" wingspan
- 9'2.5" standing reach (adjusted for standardized 1.25" shoes)

1" to 2" smaller version of those measurements would be a great result.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;14945409]Of course RMWG has to bring up Wemby for some reason and proceed to derail the thread while endlessly arguing about him.

What an incredible moderator. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]Would you like to see me improve this board?