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[QUOTE=tpols;15011383]Dude 2004 Kevin Garnett was probably the most versatile player of all time. You guys are straight up clowning. :lol[/QUOTE]
Draymond is the overall better ball handler, playmaker, and already has an established 2 man game with Curry. Obviously KG is better, but don’t really need the other things he provides.
Overall a defensive frontline of Walton/Draymond is more versatile . Dray could guard 1-5 more effectively than KG.
[QUOTE=3ba11;15011409]Agreed.
Curry
MJ
Bird
KG
Robinson
^^^ No plodding big to hamper offensive movement, thus maximizing the capacity for dynasty ball movement.
Prime Wilt in Robinson or KG's place might work better but I like the jumpshooting ability of Robinson & KG... 5 jumpshoters out there but also great/goat post play from 4 of the 5 guys[/QUOTE]
Bird at the 3 in today’s game would be exposed on defense. He is your classic 4 in today’s league.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15011430]Draymond is the overall better ball handler, playmaker, and already has an established 2 man game with Curry. Obviously KG is better, but don’t really need the other things he provides.
Overall a defensive frontline of Walton/Draymond works better.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely absurd take.
2004 TWolves Kevin Garnett had great big man handles and playmaking / passing ability. He was arguably better at that than he was at scoring. And was an even better defender and rebounder than Dray.
I'm going to hold this opinion against you forever. :oldlol:
But Klay over MJ might take the cake.
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[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15011431]Bird at the 3 in today’s game would be exposed on defense. He is your classic 4 in today’s league.[/QUOTE]
Luka works at the 1, so Bird would work anywhere he wants.
Dominique, Dr. J, Bernard King, or even Shawn Kemp has famous stories of being dominated by Bird...
Athletic guys like Walter Davis or Gervin - destroyed by Bird... So no... Bird would be fine
and he could play the 4.. He would also be carrying the ball a lot in today's game (above), which would allow him to play guard.
[QUOTE=tpols;15011435]Absolutely absurd take.
2004 TWolves Kevin Garnett had great big man handles and playmaking / passing ability. He was arguably better at that than he was at scoring. And was an even better defender and rebounder than Dray.
I'm going to hold this opinion against you forever. :oldlol:
But Klay over MJ might take the cake.[/QUOTE]
Stop. KG was a great playmaker, but he never ran an offense the way Draymond did. For the Wolves, Cassell was the one doing most of the playmaking, for the Warriors it was always Draymond year in and year out.
Plus we don’t want fake tough guys on our team. :no:
Dude got punched by Anthony Peeler and did nothing.
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Luka works at the 1, so Bird would work anywhere he wants.
Dominique, Dr. J, Bernard King, or even Shawn Kemp has famous stories of being dominated by Bird...
Athletic guys like Walter Davis or Gervin - destroyed by Bird... So no... Bird would be fine
and he could play the 4.. He would also be carrying the ball a lot in today's game (above), which would allow him to play guard.[/QUOTE]
There is a reason why McHale was always guarding guys like Dominique and not Bird. Bird would get cooked guarding 3s of today.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15011476]There is a reason why McHale was always guarding guys like Dominique and not Bird. Bird would get cooked guarding 3s of today.[/QUOTE]
^^^ Pure fabricated bs
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6QAX7sbVa8[/url]
[QUOTE=3ba11;15011485]^^^ Pure fabricated bs
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6QAX7sbVa8[/url][/QUOTE]
So your counter is a video of Dominique abusing Bird? :oldlol:
STUPIDBALL :yaohappy:
[QUOTE=RRR3;15011486]So your counter is a video of Dominique abusing Bird? :oldlol:
STUPIDBALL :yaohappy:[/QUOTE]
No, but a younger Bird guarded Dominique, Dr. J, and all the quick perimeter players.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15011476]There is a reason why McHale was always guarding guys like Dominique and not Bird. Bird would get cooked guarding 3s of today.[/QUOTE]
Another thing - in addition to the younger bird guarding Dominique, Dr J and all.the SF's, I want 2 hybrids at the forward spots that can play SF and PF, so that's why Bird/KG are perfect..
Robinson can also play the 3-5 spots.. Again, a lineup of MJ, Curry, Bird, KG and Robinson entails 5 jumpshoters and 4 great post players, so that's great versatility, plus several "Pippens" for MJ to light that fire under (KG, Robinson)
Some of your guys lineups would get obliterated by the current Pacers lol, let alone OKC. If you're still ignoring spacing when building all time teams in 2025, well you haven't learned much as the game has become less primitive.
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15011360]I'm honestly surprised at all the Kobe mentions, I don't think he'd be a good fit in an all-time lineup at all. I also don't understand why anyone would choose him over Jordan when he's essentially just a worse version of him.[/QUOTE]
Did you watch the Redeem Team documentary?
[QUOTE=ralph_i_el;15011533]Did you watch the Redeem Team documentary?[/QUOTE]
I watched the games during those Olympics. He actually wasn't that great of a fit, took the most shots on the team, but was still outscored by LeBron & Wade.
The funny thing is, I vividly remember Kobe telling the media that he was mostly going to focus on defense during those Olympics, but he couldn't help himself. :lol
[QUOTE=ralph_i_el;15011533]Did you watch the Redeem Team documentary?[/QUOTE]
Got em.
Kobe was the bonafide leader on that team behind the scenes and on the court. Took all the toughest covers and then closed out the Gold Medal game in late 4th quarter.
[QUOTE=tpols;15011383]Dude 2004 Kevin Garnett was probably the most versatile player of all time. You guys are straight up clowning. :lol[/QUOTE]
This is true, but I don't recall seeing KG doing much of that from the perimeter the way that Draymond did during his peak. KG was a good playmaker but probably a better passer. I think the example of using Draymond works. Maybe if KG was from this era, then things would have been different.