Killer of Killers

[QUOTE=Meticode;15012473]I don't think those movies would be called woke today by most people if they came out today. Their characters didn't feel unnatural or out of place or overpowering. Sarah Conner was never the lead in any of the Terminator films. Arnold overpowered everyone. In T2 Arnold and John were the main focus for majority of the movie and Sarah was the third most important character. In the original Kyle Reese was her protector. Same thing with Princess Leia. Vader, Luke and maybe even Han Solo were stronger characters.

Ripley is different though, but she wasn't thrown into the main lead role unnaturally. She didn't just become a badass in Aliens out of nowhere. She went through trials and tribulations in the first film, showed fear, showed weakness and overcoming it. And what she is in Aliens is her facing her fears.

Compare that to something like Rey in Star Wars, the first time she picks up a lightsaber she suddenly can defeat Kylo Ren who's trained with the Force and lightsaber for years and was a proper padawan, but she can defeat him? Several times in fact? That's crazy woke. Two totally different animals.[/QUOTE]

Aliens absolutely would have been labeled woke. Only survivors a woman and a little girl lol.

Terminator and T2 would have also I think but perhaps to a lesser degree.

And then T3 features a female Terminator lol, that would have for sure warranted woke calls.

[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15012507]Aliens absolutely would have been labeled woke. Only survivors a woman and a little girl lol.

Terminator and T2 would have also I think but perhaps to a lesser degree.[/QUOTE]

I disagree.

[QUOTE=Meticode;15012514]I disagree.[/QUOTE]

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They new Alien series is being called "woke" now because there is a woman lead. But you think for some reason the originals would sneak past?

It's just because you saw those movies before being conditioned to view anything as woke.

A black dude in a commercial is woke now.

Aliens actually had a trans marine too. You think a trans military would get by the anti-wokesters today?

[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15012531]A black dude in a commercial is woke now.[/QUOTE]

A black person appearing in a commercial isn't woke, but a black person appearing in 80% of commercials at the expense of all other groups is definitely woke.

Black people have been over-represented in film, television and commercials to a ridiculous and abnormal degree. It's not anyone else's fault that you can't recognize the pattern.

[QUOTE=Phoenix;15012488]That's just it, the Star Wars license is owned by Disney so Leia is a prime candidate. You'd need a completely different studio not intent on pushing identity politics.[/QUOTE]

It's obvious that current Star Wars hates everything about old Star Wars, and that includes Leia.

Leia was a brave no nonsense hero but she was also a woman who gave in to her feminine desires. Her entire arc in the second movie is coming to terms with the fact that she's in love with Han.

That would never fly in current Star Wars. Romance isn't allowed anymore. The male heroes are all beta cucks and the female heroes are all fierce warriors that don't need no man.

[QUOTE=Bill Gates]Aliens actually had a trans marine too. You think a trans military would get by the anti-wokesters today?[/quote]
Martinez wasn't trans. She was a dyke lesbian. I'm pretty sure most people perceived her that way as well. At least anyone that I've ever talked to about the movie. That's the whole reason why Hudson jokes with her after waking up saying, "Has anyone ever mistaken you for a man?" It wasn't because she was a trans man, it was because she's was a woman, identifying as a woman, but masculine and gay. If you search it online it tells you this.

If you're going to say that would be woke (which I disagree with) you might as well say that every single movie Michelle Rodriguez has been in as a masculine military female was woke too. Because that's the type of character she's played in most of her movies in her career. Those wouldn't be woke today.

But in Aliens when Ripley is looking through the original Alien crews' bio Lambert (the blonde short hair woman) is labeled as a transgender in her file, but you would've never knew this in the original Alien movie that she was trans. There's no mention of it, or clues or anything and it was only added during Aliens production.

Listen...I agree there's a ton of woke stuff and maybe some stuff from back then would be considered woke, but I disagree on a lot of the things mentioned because of the way the writing was. It's of my opinion those things don't feel forced. I'm sure some people will say they're woke though. Can't please everyone. We'll agree to disagree.

I just don't get how or why anybody would be a cheerleader for men and women to drift further away from their traditional roles.

If these changes are natural in society.... why is Hollywood and Corporate America doing everything in their power to force the message?

why would you want women to be more masculine, men to be more feminine, and people to be more gay? Why become a progressively pro-woke cheerleader in that regard?

Nobody is trying eradicate this trend from society.... we've just taken notice of how extreme it has become in Movies & TV Shows. It's Forced.

There's an argument to be made that ART imitates life.... But I'm gonna argue that the propaganda machine is aware that LIFE imitates Art, and there's a reason why this stuff is so forced.

If you really want to get to the short & sweet simple answer as to why Hollywood does this: It's because it's blasphemous.



Here's a woke fun fact to consider: Women are overall less happier now that we have less of a patriarchy.

you would think all this girl-power, feminist garbage would bring more joy to women.... but it's actually done the opposite.

That's because contrary to popular belief, humans don't chase happiness. We chase power. Do you think Trump and Musk just want to be "happy"? They would have retired to the beach decades ago if that was the case. Women are like that too, they want to own everything, just like men. They don't care as much about being "blissful" as everyone thinks.

You know who cares about being in bliss? Little kids. And as we grow older, we get bored of that.

[QUOTE=Meticode;15012573]Martinez wasn't trans. She was a dyke lesbian. I'm pretty sure most people perceived her that way as well. At least anyone that I've ever talked to about the movie. That's the whole reason why Hudson jokes with her after waking up saying, "Has anyone ever mistaken you for a man?" It wasn't because she was a trans man, it was because she's was a woman, identifying as a woman, but masculine and gay. If you search it online it tells you this.

If you're going to say that would be woke (which I disagree with) you might as well say that every single movie Michelle Rodriguez has been in as a masculine military female was woke too. Because that's the type of character she's played in most of her movies in her career. Those wouldn't be woke today.

But in Aliens when Ripley is looking through the original Alien crews' bio Lambert (the blonde short hair woman) is labeled as a transgender in her file, but you would've never knew this in the original Alien movie that she was trans. There's no mention of it, or clues or anything and it was only added during Aliens production.

Listen...I agree there's a ton of woke stuff and maybe some stuff from back then would be considered woke, but I disagree on a lot of the things mentioned because of the way the writing was. It's of my opinion those things don't feel forced. I'm sure some people will say they're woke though. Can't please everyone. We'll agree to disagree.[/QUOTE]

Her name is Vasquez

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She'd 100% be called "great more forced woke Hollywood gay crap" by Doomsday Dallas today.

Then you have Ripley and Newt

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A woman and a little girl the only survivors while all the strong white male marines DIED. Obviously a woke message that women are the strongest of the species.

This would have been labeled the wokest shit ever made if it came out today.

[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15012507]Aliens absolutely would have been labeled woke. Only survivors a woman and a little girl lol.

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nah. that woke shit wasn't prevelant in hollywood back then and definitely wasn't thrown in our faces or getting shoved down our throats at every turn like it is now. it just happened naturally and wasn't a big deal. plus the acting and quality of the movies didn't suffer as a result of it. at worst if it were even a thing, it was tolerable.

[QUOTE=diamenz;15012598]nah. that woke shit wasn't prevelant in hollywood back then and definitely wasn't thrown in our faces or getting shoved down our throats at every turn like it is now. it just happened naturally and wasn't a big deal. plus the acting and quality of the movies didn't suffer as a result of it. at worst if it were even a thing, it was tolerable.[/QUOTE]
I'm saying if that movie came out TODAY.

But also, there were lots of 'woke" movies before "woke" was a thing.

Imagine if Boys Don't Cry came out today? Or 'Do the Right Thing". Those moves are as woke as it gets. Or Dances with Wolves, 9 to 5.

How about Trading Places? poor black dude switching places with a rich white dude. :oldlol:

Or that one flick where Richard Pryor was a poor black guy handed millions of dollars.

And Terminator? Strong female Sarah Connor defeats the ultimate unstoppable White Male. Like, you're fooling yourself if you think that doesn't get a "woke" label today.

Yea there's a difference in that Aliens was like the first movie to ever do this.... kinda makes it original right?

But here we are almost 40 years later and we have Hollywood and Corporate America trying to make it the new normal.... it's not an original idea anymore is it?


You picked a movie that was the first of it's kind... almost 40 years later men & women have drifted so far away from their traditional roles that we can't even properly define what a woman is anymore and have to use pronouns.

And you want to become a cheerleader for this bombardment of wokeness as if it's still not progressive enough?



There's a difference between finding one random & rare 80's movie with a strong female lead and a dyke... compared to a never ending marketing campaign geared towards wokeness the past 10 years.




Go into youtube and search WOKE commercials... Welcome to the future. Can you honestly say you want more of this stuff?

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[b]WOKE Pride Month Commercials: Try To Guess 2024![/b]

[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15012601][B]I'm saying if that movie came out TODAY.[/B]

But also, there were lots of 'woke" movies before "woke" was a thing.

Imagine if Boys Don't Cry came out today? Or 'Do the Right Thing". Those moves are as woke as it gets. Or Dances with Wolves, 9 to 5.

How about Trading Places? poor black dude switching places with a rich white dude. :oldlol:

Or that one flick where Richard Pryor was a poor black guy handed millions of dollars.[/QUOTE]

honestly i don't think that would be the case at all. like i said, any mild wokism back then would happen naturally and wasn't injected into the movie at it's outset, so it wouldn't suffer as a result of it. nowadays, movies are [B]based[/B] on being problack, profemale, multigender, what have you and the movie is built around that. it's just not the same at all.