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[QUOTE=theman93;15014774]Let’s be honest. Bane would have been an all-star if he was playing in the East like Siakam was lol[/QUOTE] Not playing 69, 42 and 58 game seasons. If he had great durability he would be a borderline case but so far he's struggled to stay on the court.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15014790]Not playing 69, 42 and 58 game seasons. If he had great durability he would be a borderline case but so far he's struggled to stay on the court.[/QUOTE]
He plays like a borderline all-star when he's on the court. Similar to Garland. Plus it doesn't matter how many games you play in a full season. What matters is how much you play between the start of the season and all-star game. Either way he has trouble staying healthy. His best bet was a couple of seasons ago when he played 42 games, he played 37 prior to the all-star game and had 24/5/5 on 47/38/87 splits. Still wasn't on the court enough.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15014788]Cleveland just won 64 games. Indiana started badly but including the playoffs are 52-21 over their last 73 games. Orlando is a play in team that just added one good shooter.[/QUOTE]
Yeah like I said, not world beaters. And yeah play in team because our 3 best players missed a combined 105 games lol
[QUOTE=theman93;15014792]Yeah like I said, not world beaters. And yeah play in team because our 3 best players missed a combined 105 games lol[/QUOTE] There are a lot of teams that would have been better off they didn't have injuries to key personnel. Guys getting hurt is just an unfortunate part of sports and adding another player with an injury history isn't going to fix that issue.
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15014784]Suggs is a 1 and bane a 2 right?[/QUOTE]
Yes, they don’t play the same position. Not sure why that was said. Is Suggs the traditional PG? No. Is he still developing as a playmaker? Yes. Does Bane add shooting/playmaking the team needs since it relies on Fran and Paolo to be playmakers? Yes. Does Orlando have anyone that can run the offense? On paper no but they are banking on playmakers by committee it seems while hoping Suggs shows improvement in that department. Who by the way is a helluva defensive guard.
Suggs at the 1
Bane at the 2
Wags at the 3
Paolo at the 4
Carter at the 5
That’s a nice 5 in spite of how much they gave up for Bane. Also expensive after checking salaries. Bench wise? Not sure. They still have a late first to maybe add something.
[QUOTE=Meticode;15014789]Either way there's eight teams reportedly interested in him. If they weren't interested in drafting picks or paying him they wouldn't be interested, The Suns will get their picks. Durant will get his money.[/QUOTE]
He will get paid and suns will get something. Id imagine they want players more than picks. It will take more in contracts to match durant and he will have a say in where he goes which will affect what the suns get
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15014793]There are a lot of teams that would have been better off they didn't have injuries to key personnel. Guys getting hurt is just an unfortunate part of sports and adding another player with an injury history isn't going to fix that issue.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but let’s not pretend like we weren’t hit with the injury bug to our best players worse than any other team this year. And by a mile. Arguing against that isn’t an argument in good faith.
[QUOTE=GOBB;15014795]Yes, they don’t play the same position. Not sure why that was said. Is Suggs the traditional PG? No. Is he still developing as a playmaker? Yes. Does Bane add shooting/playmaking the team needs since it relies on Fran and Paolo to be playmakers? Yes. Does Orlando have anyone that can run the offense? On paper no but they are banking on playmakers by committee it seems while hoping Suggs shows improvement in that department. Who by the way is a helluva defensive guard.
Suggs at the 1
Bane at the 2
Wags at the 3
Paolo at the 4
Carter at the 5
That’s a nice 5 in spite of how much they gave up for Bane. Also expensive after checking salaries. Bench wise? Not sure. They still have a late first to maybe add something.[/QUOTE]
Bench is comprised of Black and Da Silva who can play but are extremely young. Mo Wagner was a 6MOY candidate til his ACL popped so who knows how he’ll bounce back. Isaac regressed drastically this year. Rest of the bench is garbage. All in all, the bench isn’t very good. We’ll see what we add as the offseason goes on
[QUOTE=theman93;15014804]Bench is comprised of Black and Da Silva who can play but are extremely young. Mo Wagner was a 6MOY candidate til his ACL popped so who knows how he’ll bounce back. Isaac regressed drastically this year. Rest of the bench is garbage. All in all, the bench isn’t very good. We’ll see what we add as the offseason goes on[/QUOTE]
You’re a Magic fan? Cool you’d have a better pulse on the team than I would. Curious what you guys will add in the offseason. You also have that late first rd pick. Obviously banking on rookies can be a stretch but there’s some quality prospects in the range of that first. And that’s typically where rotational/role players can be found. Obviously duds as well but thinking positive you at least have the options of finding some talent. Like anyone?
[QUOTE=theman93;15014801]Yeah but let’s not pretend like we weren’t hit with the injury bug to our best players worse than any other team this year. And by a mile. Arguing against that isn’t an argument in good faith.[/QUOTE]
Multiple teams had season-ending injuries to Allstars. They may not match the total number of missed games (although they also may, iI'm not going to bother counting) but losing a star in the playoffs is as bad as any number of missed games in the regular season. Regardless the winner of the woe-is-me Olympics doesn't matter. What's important is how good the season a team had is or is not.
[QUOTE=GOBB;15014806]You’re a Magic fan? Cool you’d have a better pulse on the team than I would. Curious what you guys will add in the offseason. You also have that late first rd pick. Obviously banking on rookies can be a stretch but there’s some quality prospects in the range of that first. And that’s typically where rotational/role players can be found. Obviously duds as well but thinking positive you at least have the options of finding some talent. Like anyone?[/QUOTE]
Well I’m not gonna pretend to be an expert on what FA’s are out there we can afford or what other trade scenario’s are possible, but imo our 3 biggest needs are 3 point shooting, playmaking off the bench, and a C. Obviously Bane is hopefully a large solution to the lack of 3 point shooting, but we need more spacing off the bench and Franz needs to fix that nasty hitch in his shot. I think the FO is going to bank on Black, Da Silva, or Jett taking a step as reserves, but that’s just a hunch. Regarding C, WCJr plays way too soft way too often (for my liking anyways) and he isn’t really a rim protector, Moe will be coming off an ACL so there’s a possibility we may not even re-sign him, and Goga wasn’t really impressive as the season rolled on even though we just signed him to a 3y-24m deal last offseason. Not sure if Brook Lopez would be affordable, but if so, adding him while offloading WCJr and/or Isaac to bolster other areas of weakness would be ideal to me. If not then the trio of WCJr/Moe/Goga is atleast serviceable.
Edit: Nevermind
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15014807]Multiple teams had season-ending injuries to Allstars. They may not match the total number of missed games (although they also may, iI'm not going to bother counting) but losing a star in the playoffs is as bad as any number of missed games in the regular season. Regardless the winner of the woe-is-me Olympics doesn't matter. What's important is how good the season a team had is or is not.[/QUOTE]
Postseason injuries are irrelevant here. We're talking about an inordinate amount of injuries that occurred in the regular season that lead to Orlando being a play-in team. The only other team that even comes close is Dallas who's top 3 players of Kyrie/Doncic (replaced by AD)/Klay missed a combined 93 games. This also doesn't even include Moe who was a leading 6MOY candidate before tearing his ACL leading to him missing 52 games as well.
The issue here is you seem to be arguing Orlando is just a meddling play-in team while offering no context. Anybody arguing in good faith would recognize how large of a toll the injuries had on our win total.
Of course the playoffs are important. Jimmy Butler led a play in team to the Finals and that's why we don't remember that Heat team as being just a play in team. If a team is a serious factor they aren't going out 4-1 in the first round. Teams are remembered for winning playoff games and hopefully championships. The basketball world doesn't care about a team possibly winning 48 games but instead getting 41. It's just another 500. basketball team. All of them have fans that could tell you about how they would have been better is some negative thing that happened didn't happen. It happened.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15014844]Of course the playoffs are important. Jimmy Butler led a play in team to the Finals and that's why we don't remember that Heat team as being just a play in team. If a team is a serious factor they aren't going out 4-1 in the first round. Teams are remembered for winning playoff games and hopefully championships. The basketball world doesn't care about a team possibly winning 48 games but instead getting 41. It's just another 500. basketball team. All of them have fans that could tell you about how they would have been better is some negative thing that happened didn't happen. It happened.[/QUOTE]
And no one thought Dallas would be a factor in 2024 when they missed the playoffs in 2023. That’s a pretty bad argument. Players improve, additions are made, injuries can bite you less, etc. The writing is on the wall for Orlando to make a leap.
Not the move orlando