Hamas allegedly agrees to release all hostages

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15037497]That's not what I said. Yes I do believe that their surrender was ultimately inevitable, but that it's good that it happened now and it DID require action to a degree. However, they had very little leverage in any deal and likely knew this. Basically, something..ANYTHING had to be brought to the table and they would agree at this point.

Should have happened a while ago but I think it took some of the public questioning Netanyahu and the IDF for Israel to accept this as well. If people weren't divided and everyone was staunchly pro-Israel in this conflict then this likely doesn't happen.[/QUOTE]

As I said a few days ago. This guy obviously has problems functionally understanding what he reads. Would explain alot of his angry posts.

[QUOTE=Overdrive;15037541]As I said a few days ago. This guy obviously has problems functionally understanding what he reads. Would explain alot of his angry posts.[/QUOTE]

What didn't I understand?

He suggested nothing needed to be done cause it would've ended anyways. You agreeing with him is dumb, but you're both on the same side so not surprising that you agree with "dont worry, Hamas will eventually give up" strategy.

[QUOTE=Overdrive;15037541]As I said a few days ago. This guy obviously has problems functionally understanding what he reads. Would explain alot of his angry posts.[/QUOTE]

Still :lol

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[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15037558]Still :lol[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]but that it's good that it happened now and it DID require action to a degree[/QUOTE]
:lol

I definitely read you changing your tune correctly.

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15037561]:lol

I definitely read you changing your tune correctly.[/QUOTE]

Further explaining myself because you took my initial comment the wrong way (maybe it was partially my fault for not being clear) is not me changing my tune. My stance is the same. I explained further and you still seem confused.

How can "the war would've eventually ended anyways" be read the wrong way??

If you meant something else, then that's on you. Not my fault you fukked up, all I did was point it out while you eventually back tracked and changed what you said.

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15037566][B]How can "the war would've eventually ended anyways" be read the wrong way??[/B]

If you meant something else, then that's on you. Not my fault you fukked up, all I did was point it out while you eventually back tracked and changed what you said.[/QUOTE]

I said that because it's true. I also said I was glad that it happened now. What I didn't say, and what you incorrectly took from what I said, is that nothing needed to be done. And this is because you perceived me saying that as slighting Trump and his legendary deal-making capabilities. I know this because you mentioned Kamala in the first few words.

Both sides were under enormous pressure to call this off. Hamas because they were objectively losing and Israel because the international zeitgeist was starting to shift away from supporting them and the IDF tactics. Neither had much leverage in the long run and accepting this ceasefire deal was in the best interest of both.

How about this:

[QUOTE]This was always going to happen though[/QUOTE]

..Hamas was always going agree to back out as soon as a deal was in place that Israel would accept. They had already lost and it would be in their best interest. Glad it happened sooner than later.

THAT is what I meant. Happy?

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15037566]How can "the war would've eventually ended anyways" be read the wrong way??

If you meant something else, then that's on you. Not my fault you fukked up, all I did was point it out while you eventually back tracked and changed what you said.[/QUOTE]

Holy shit. You really have to lay out stuff for you like for a six year old right?

War would've ended anyway.
Would've taken longer.
Hostages would've been dead.
More palis would've been dead.
[B]Good job by the Trump admin.[/B]
That spared alot of lives.

Got it? Highlighted the most important part for you.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15037536]If Hamas is removed from power and the new government shows interest in peacefully co-existing, why wouldn't Israel try and cut a deal? They've been trying for decades now but every single proposal has been rejected.

You'll have to forgive me being "glib" because just a few short months ago half this forum became totally unhinged. They swore up and down that we were on the verge of WW3 and that Darth Bibi was going to summon american soldiers to die on behalf of Israel and carry out his bloodthirsty conquest. Fast forward to present day and now we're talking about a peace deal in the entire region.

Having an honest discussion means admitting you were wrong and jumped the gun.[/QUOTE]

right so address those individuals [U]directly[/U]. surely you have their posts bookmarked or logged given how adamant you are about holding people to account around here. link their exact words that match what you just outlined and put their asses in check. half the forum, right? you've got your work cut out for you.

...or is this just another "yOu GuYz"!!! with your [U]blanket[/U], low effort finger pointing. "who's gone and criticized israel here??? yeah - they're a part of what i'm talking about"! :rolleyes:

man your schtick is underwhelming. it's so uninteresting bro.

[QUOTE=diamenz;15037587]right so address those individuals [U]directly[/U]. surely you have their posts bookmarked or logged given how adamant you are about holding people to account around here. link their exact words that match what you just outlined and put their asses in check. half the forum, right? you've got your work cut out for you.

[/QUOTE]

so have you begun work on this project? or are you going to continue with the "you guys" schtick to make your arguments?

[QUOTE=diamenz;15037644]so have you begun work on this project? or are you going to continue with the "you guys" schtick to make your arguments?[/QUOTE]

You asked for it:

[QUOTE=diamenz;15013737]will we be pulled in if israel proceeds? of course we will. just put it on our national credit card.

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gas prices about to skyrocket like you've never seen. stay tuned, fellow americans...

[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/11/us/politics/iran-us-iraq-diplomats-middle-east.html"]Israel Appears Ready to Attack Iran, Officials in U.S. and Europe Say[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=diamenz;15013955]iran's missle program is the wild card here. if it's as impressive as some have said it is, israelis better be hunkered down.

[IMG]https://i.ibb.co/WbPHwZr/Screenshot-20250612-214151.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=diamenz;15014111]yup. worst case scenario, if or when iran retaliates, beholden us politicians will use it as an excuse to go nuts on msm calling iran's attack "unprovoked"! and start the propaganda campaign to lead [B]us[/B] into the conflict.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=diamenz;15014225]...that's not to mention the thousands of [B]non-combat[/B] troops that we currently have stationed throughout the region who are sitting ducks [B]right now[/B]. but you'd [B]like them[/B] to get hit wouldn't you, chewing - that way we'd be [B]forced [/B]to join into the fray with israel in their aggression.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=diamenz;15015533]our "representative" in the region? of what exactly? mass murder and ethnic cleansing?

you're asking me if china's interests in keeping their economy stable and humming is comparable to the so called intelligence that we get from israel in regard to things like iraqi wmd's and failing to prevent some broke ass thugs from carrying out oct 7th?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=diamenz;15015739]we can't rule out of the possibility that israel may use a low-yield nuclear weapon in order to inflict sufficient enough damage on the two main underground nuclear facilities that everyone is talking about if the 30,000lbs bombs don't get the job done or there's the off chance that they won't.[/QUOTE]


^What's the common thread in these posts?

- False predictions
- Fear mongering
- Worst possible interpretations of US/Israel's motives
- Zero mention of Hamas's role in the conflict
- Zero mention of Iran's role in the conflct

Jeez if I didn't know better Diamenz I'd say you're totally full of shit.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15037649]You asked for it:














^What's the common thread in these posts?

- False predictions
- Fear mongering
- Worst possible interpretations of US/Israel's motives
- Zero mention of Hamas's role in the conflict
- Zero mention of Iran's role in the conflct

Jeez if I didn't know better Diamenz I'd say you're totally full of shit.[/QUOTE]

what a fukking meltdown. get some help.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15037649]You asked for it:














^What's the common thread in these posts?

- False predictions
- Fear mongering
- Worst possible interpretations of US/Israel's motives
- Zero mention of Hamas's role in the conflict
- Zero mention of Iran's role in the conflct

Jeez if I didn't know better Diamenz I'd say you're totally full of shit.[/QUOTE]

:lol. this holds me to account on absolutely nothing.

what, you think our "quarrels" with iran are over with? you're really gonna sit there and tell me with a straight face that this shit is over with. so what happens when we get "word" that iraq, er excuse me - [I]iran[/I] has renewed their nuclear program?

do you not believe that it's currently part of the israeli's government agenda to enact regime change in iran in interest of their national security? or are we just going to bunker buster bomb them until eternity. just how naive do you have to be to think we've seen the end to this conflict?

so who's the one that's full of shit? although i do commend your efforts to hold my feet to the fire. someone has to be the arbiter of accountability, truth and hypocrisy around here. but who's watching the watchman?

[QUOTE=Baller234;15037649]You asked for it:














^What's the common thread in these posts?

- False predictions
- Fear mongering
- Worst possible interpretations of US/Israel's motives
- Zero mention of Hamas's role in the conflict
- Zero mention of Iran's role in the conflct

Jeez if I didn't know better Diamenz I'd say you're totally full of shit.[/QUOTE]

Destroyed him :applause: