Did Shohei Ohtani just have the greatest individual game in sports history?

[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;15038204]I'd like the argument more if they weren't up 3-0 and the Brewers didn't have a combined 2 runs for the series up to that point, but sure. The postseason context opens up a huge can of worms. Do you then assign more greatness to Bob Gipson pitching a complete game in game 7 of the world series, allowing only 3 hits and hitting a HR?

The question was about greatest individual performance in a vacuum, and the dude in 1971 had logically a more impressive game.[/QUOTE]

Hard to even take the argument seriously when you don’t know the players name. Team they played for. Team he faced. Or any details because we’ll not many knew until Ohtani did what he did. I’m willing to bet if the topic was greatest baseball performances of all time. He still goes unnamed. I’m a Phillies fan and I didn’t even know. Let argue on something logically they we flat out didn’t see. And well you don’t even know his name lol

[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;15038198]The crazy thing about Bonds is that he was robbed of several MVPs in the 90s because analytics weren't a thing yet. Realistically he should've had like 6 MVPs before ever taking steroids[/QUOTE]

That's a stretch. The only year you could say he got robbed is maybe 1991.

[QUOTE=GOBB;15038205]Hard to even take the argument seriously when you don’t know the players name. Team they played for. Team he faced. Or any details because we’ll not many knew until Ohtani did what he did. I’m willing to bet if the topic was greatest baseball performances of all time. He still goes unnamed. I’m a Phillies fan and I didn’t even know. Let argue on something logically they we flat out didn’t see. And well you don’t even know his name lol[/QUOTE]

Mentioning his name doesn't change the fact that throwing a complete game no-hitter and hitting 2 HRs is more individually impressive than throwing 6 shutout innings and hitting 3HRs.

One guy essentially won the game by himself, whereas the other guy let the door open for a loss by allowing hits and not pitching the last 3 innings. It's a logical argument, so I'm not surprised you don't understand it or take it seriously.

If you want to add postseason context then there a lot of much higher leverage performances in the history of sports than being up 3-0 against a team with 2 runs total for the series. There has literally only been 1 team in baseball history to come back from 3-0, so the high stakes argument isn't all that great and opens up a huge amount of potential superior performances.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038206]That's a stretch. The only year you could say he got robbed is maybe 1991.[/QUOTE]

I'm judging by today's standards, 1991 isn't a maybe, he wins easily. But even if you want to ignore the MVP snubs he still led the league in OPS for the 90s decade and was top 6 in stolen bases, while being a premier defender. All while competing with guys who were juicing.

1971 Phillies pitcher Rick Wise pitched a no hitter (1 BB from a perfect game) to the Reds. Also known back then as the Cincinnati Big Red Machine that featured guys like Joe Morgan Tony Perez Pete Rose Johnny Bench. Since people want to list something they don’t know the year, the name, the teams etc

I get it tho. Someone mentioning it on socials after Ohtani and you want to run in with the Hey Did U Kno3 news. But with no details or context. Hilarious. I love people. Unique beings

6 is a stretch as far as MVPs. But more (multiple) than he did for sure. I agree there. People can talk the roids all they want but prior to allegations he was 1 of 1

[QUOTE=GOBB;15038209]1971 Phillies pitcher Rick Wise pitched a no hitter (1 BB from a perfect game) to the Reds. Also known back then as the Cincinnati Big Red Machine that featured guys like Joe Morgan Tony Perez Pete Rose Johnny Bench. Since people want to list something they don’t know the year, the name, the teams etc

I get it tho. Someone mentioning it on socials after Ohtani and you want to run in with the Hey Did U Kno3 news. But with no details or context. Hilarious. I love people. Unique beings[/QUOTE]

This is where your low IQ and and lack of self-awareness really shines bright.

Pretending I mentioned that game for some sort of recognition is a bizarre projection. I mentioned the game because it's more individually impressive than Ohtani's game in a vacuum. Nobody in this thread was aware of the game or watched it live, so going into the details would be overkill. Only a dumb **** like you would create some strawman out of thin air because you crave getting embarrassed on an internet forum lol.

[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;15038198]The crazy thing about Bonds is that he was robbed of several MVPs in the 90s because analytics weren't a thing yet. Realistically he should've had like 6 MVPs before ever taking steroids - and was already the intentional walk record holder by 1999, before his absurd early 2000s run. By 1998 he had over 400 HRs and 400 SBs, and to this day is the only player to do it, let alone being the only guy in the 500/500 club. And those numbers are more impressive in hindsight because a lot of guys were already juicing during that time... there's a reason why when Bonds started juicing he led the league in OPS by like 300 points during that time.

Bonds is 100% the GOAT.[/QUOTE]

The analytics thing is true but it was probably more about Bond’s visceral hatred towards the media. He hated them and they like wise hated him back.

But it is amazing how people don’t even realize how good pre steroid Barry was. He was the greatest in the game by a good margin.

He only started juicing when bums like Sammy Sosa started going off and approaching his status.

Then when he juiced he immediately took his throne back as the greatest

[QUOTE=GOBB;15038212]6 is a stretch as far as MVPs. But more (multiple) than he did for sure. I agree there. People can talk the roids all they want but prior to allegations he was 1 of 1[/QUOTE]

It's not a stretch at all

In 1996 he had 40/40 and led the leave in walks and WAR by a huge margin. Finished 5th. With today's voting that's a unanimous MVP.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038124]That’s fair. You could use the race thing against Ruth. Only difference is Ruth had nothing to do with that and didn’t cheat the game, unlike Bonds. There is a reason why he isn’t in the hall of fame.[/QUOTE]

Everybody was using roids in Bonds era. Youd have to be extremely naive to not know that. He didnt cheat the game, he leveled the playing field. But he was already so much better naturally that when he did that he turned into Shaq. :lol

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15038215]The analytics thing is true but it was probably more about Bond’s visceral hatred towards the media. He hated them and they like wise hated him back.

But it is amazing how people don’t even realize how good pre steroid Barry was. He was the greatest in the game by a good margin.

He only started juicing when bums like Sammy Sosa started going off and approaching his status.

Then when he juiced he immediately took his throne back as the greatest[/QUOTE]

And that's the thing, he started juicing when he was already out of his prime and still went on to have the best 4 year stretch in sports history. He wasn't just the best in the game, he was literally in a different stratosphere than the next best guys during that time.

Had he been juicing for the entire 90s, I mean, we're talking about some real alien type shit.

[QUOTE=tpols;15038217]Everybody was using roids in Bonds era. Youd have to be extremely naive to not know that. He didnt cheat the game, he leveled the playing field. But he was already so much better naturally that when he did that he turned into Shaq. :lol[/QUOTE]

Doesn't matter. Steroids give hitters a much bigger advantage than pitchers who take it. All of those batting stats from that era should be taken off history.

1. Ruth
2. Mays

The rest are fighting for #3.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038221]Doesn't matter. Steroids give hitters a much bigger advantage than pitchers who take it. All of those batting stats from that era should be taken off history.

1. Ruth
2. Mays

The rest are fighting for #3.[/QUOTE]

You’re a dipshit. lol.

Guy reads about Rick wise on Reddit and wants to throw his hat in the race hahaha You dudes here can be so damn phony.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038221]Doesn't matter. Steroids give hitters a much bigger advantage than pitchers who take it. All of those batting stats from that era should be taken off history.

1. Ruth
2. Mays

The rest are fighting for #3.[/QUOTE]

Now post the greatest players YOU have ever seen.